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Vivek Nov 16, 2019

@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
The specific question i raised was were we liberals caught by surprise and shocked by his ascendancy or we were expecting it?
If we were shocked we should analyse where we went wrong. Were we complacent and condescending with the people who we now criticize and label as "bhakts"?
Anyway only navel gazing won't help. The idea is to find a solution and a voice.

@VivekT I personally was shocked and surprised. I always use to boast my India will not allow it. My friends from all religion are very secure and secular they will see through it and not support. All that has unfortunately been proven wrong. People I have known for half a century appear like strangers, nay zombies following some unresistable force. I can’t fathom what could I have done differently

@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani
So how are you dealing with it and what do you see is the way forward?

@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

@VivekT I don’t think I am dealing with it at all, other than just be stunned! At times doubting my own self...

What do you do when a childhood friend says your death could be an acceptable collateral damage? Or suddenly when my silence is the price asked for “inclusion”?

@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani Not to be facetious, but you tell them to please consider you dead to them and them to you and you cut the chord that binds... safer to stay sane and non threatened than to be told your loss is acceptable collateral damage; or that silence is the price you must pay.. @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

@KayKap
That in my book would be surrender. I am willing to accept what is but I am not willing to surrender. Also, pray where do I go?
These were more of brothers to me than my own brothers! My parents really “integrated” in the true ganga-jamuni sense. I can blame them?

@VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani Have been where U r at; I considered being alive & able to protest/put fwd my view another day as a win. Emotions are currently hyper-charged; someone will have to take the step back... imho... @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani Sometimes a strategic retreat works wonders; allows you to calm down, think, re-devise and return stronger... understand you are feeling alienated... I am currently receiving similar vibes from some chuddy-buddies ...
@VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

@KayKap
Well I intend to be there, in view, Stoic in my silence. I anyways rarely speak.

Let’s see how it pans out. Sooner or later somebody will come for them or their children too. Thanks for your concern though.

@VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Salman Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Everything thats going to happen is already before us. The worst that could happen is a Hindu Rashtra. And Hindu Rashtra is more dangerous for Hindus than for Muslims. If your friends have become hateful, then just observe them closely. Because you may be having the best view of how people are being indoctrinated by hate.

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@salm456 Tell me about it; So-called Hindu friends are becoming rabid and I am running away.. @tariquesani @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Salman Nov 18, 2019

@KayKap @tariquesani @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona A misconception about secularism has been successfully spread by the Hindutva brigade. They made people believe that it takes away their religious rights. Secularism is not a foriegn concept. It is an integral part of Hindu Culture. This is what secular Hindus need to explain to their bigot friends. And no need to run away. It's them who are afraid, not you.

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@salm456 Ok. When i referenced running away, it's not because I am afraid... it's because life is too precious to waste on deaf idjits. Have always grown with spiritualism not religion. Personally, all religions are equal, i respect all, i bow my head to all...I have seen this extreme Hindutva being born and I live everyday trying to knock it down... @tariquesani @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@salm456To me secularism means one thing. Separation of state from religion and I explain that to everyone,
@KayKap @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Salman Nov 18, 2019

@KayKap @tariquesani @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Every Hindutva fan is fooled in one way or the other. Either fooled by willingness of being superior, or fooled politically that has widely happened in last 6 years.

Is it possible for us to think that an ideology based on foolishness will succeed in its mission ?
It won't succeed. But it will surely destroy the idea of India we knew forever.

nawedbelagam Nov 18, 2019

@salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona I still don't think that Hindu rashtra will happen. Yes Muslims specifically and other minorities generally will be suppressed more and more. No hate situation can go on for long.

Amit Ramesan 🇮🇳Nov 18, 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

@salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @ranjona

Boiling frog - Wikipedia

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@AmitRamesan too ruddy apt! @nawedbelagam @salm456 @tariquesani @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @ranjona

@KayKap
It is called the “backfire effect” I posted about it in the morning

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe?fbclid=IwAR0QwgguksgiiWg4SGC2DjI8N6ixaIWPOGtRURr62Em8LZKluP05hCkZZX8

@AmitRamesan @nawedbelagam @salm456 @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @ranjona

You're not going to believe what I'm about to tell you - The Oatmeal

This is a comic about the backfire effect.

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani Long believed in this effect! @AmitRamesan @nawedbelagam @salm456 @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @ranjona

Salman Nov 18, 2019

@nawedbelagam @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona The hate for secularism itself is the foundation of Hindu Rashtra. India may become Hindu Rashtra, but it cant survive as a Hindu State.

NSure ✔Nov 19, 2019

@salm456 @nawedbelagam @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan
@ranjona

Somebody pls tell me 3 - ok 2, alright, 1 benefit of being a hindu rashtra. Are we that fucking big, to go it alone in a world where we'd be jokers with our cows & cloud & radar, with a rapidly regressing economy???

Why does the bjpee want to inflict this humiliation on itself and us???

Manny Nov 19, 2019

@NSure @salm456 @nawedbelagam @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan @ranjona
Why the BJP is donig this? Because we are a nation of superstitious morons and we fall for it. Do you remember this when the entire nation, including Tamil Nadu fell for 'Ganesha Drinking Milk' Miracle?

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-38301718/the-milk-miracle-that-brought-india-to-a-standstill

The ‘milk miracle’ that brought India to a standstill

In September 1995, millions of Hindus were gripped by an apparent "miracle" when the god Ganesha seemed to be drinking milk.

nawedbelagam Nov 19, 2019

@cprogrammer @NSure @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan @ranjona Very true. We don't understand the basics of religion and depend on clergy to tell us what is what and that leads to superstition. It is prevalent among Muslims too.

NSure ✔Nov 19, 2019

@nawedbelagam @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan @ranjona

True, Nawedbhai... ultimately, religion has ended up dividing man, dividing land, dividing minds... There is a Malayalam film song - KJ Yesudas won his first National Award for it, if I remember - which says,

"Man created Religions. Religions created Gods and Devils. Religion"s, Gods and Devils together divided the land. Shared human minds..."

Ranjona Nov 19, 2019

@NSure @nawedbelagam @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan
Interesting as this discussion is, I don't think history and facts are going to make a difference to rightwing politics. Religion is always open to question because it's based on belief. We need to stress and fight for the importance of democracy where our differences don't matter. Otherwise, there's no hope.

NSure ✔Nov 19, 2019

@ranjona @nawedbelagam @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan

Unfortunately so... these khaki shorts THRIVE in an environment of superstition, blind belief and ignorance to science & fact!

Why else is a minister talking about the hump of the Indian cow producing gold?????

Why else are stupid folk rubbing themselves with cow dung, in the hope that they will live longer and healthier????

NSure ✔Nov 19, 2019

@ranjona @nawedbelagam @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan

Or, for that matter, marrying a pair of frogs, so that the monsoon is good???

Vivek Nov 19, 2019

@ranjona @NSure @nawedbelagam @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan

EXACTLY !!!

nawedbelagam Nov 19, 2019

@ranjona @NSure @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan
This has to start at family level. When family heads are full of hatred and superstitious too then we as people have to take this responsibility.

NSure ✔Nov 19, 2019

@cprogrammer @salm456 @nawedbelagam @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Yes, I remember it like it was yesterday!! It originated in Maharashtra and spread like wildfire across the country!

I even remember that China managed to export a few million Ganeshas to India, coz people were only too happy to feed Ganesha milk!!

What a joke that was!!

Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@salm456 I am surprised why any of the intellectuals have not pointed out that "Hindu Rashtra" is an Oxymoron. A religion which believes that superiority or inferiority depends on the accident of birth can never unite its practitioners ultimately. Divide, subdivide and rule is its Mantra.
@tariquesani @KayKap @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@VivekT Thing is that Hinduism isn't truly a religion; it was initially a philosophy of sorts, a guide to a more spiritual journey (or so I was taught); and it was self-doable, meaning intermediaries were not required. That angered so-called middle fellas/is and they coined rites and rituals to reach God. And thence began the classes, the dos/don'ts; 2day notion of a Hindu Rashtra..
@salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Manny Nov 18, 2019

@KayKap @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
Hinduism was originally Brahmanism. A religion that came from the steppes. It was a primitive religion with the priestly class & class system. It was horrific which lead people to abandon it in favour of Jainism, Buddhism. The current form of Hinduism is the result of Bhakti movement (mainly two sects Shaivites & Vaishnavites). BTW All religions R way of life

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@cprogrammer You need to go to the times before Brahmanism came into being... @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@KayKap
That is what i believe too but the Sanatanis say the Vedas are here since the beginning and the Atharvashirsha which justifies casteism is from the Rg Veda. Then Hinduism was never egalitarian. Today this theory seems to be having the most adherents.
@salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@VivekT I can only share what I was taught /has been reinforced to date. The part that you talk of was never a part of the initial Rg Veda; it was added later. Ancient Indian scriptures: the 4 Veds, the Upanishads & the Puranas. It is said there was a 5th Ved, but it was destroyed & completely lost. It is also said that 1part was tacked on to the Rg Veda and thence begat all the issues.. @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@KayKapAgreed. What I tooted is what the Sanatanis try to make me believe albeit unsuccessfully. @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Manny Nov 18, 2019

@VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
The sanatanis will never accept.
But now we have the Rakhigarhi DNA which is rewriting the history. Try to get your hands on the Book "The Early Indians" by Tony Joseph. Meanwhile you can read this

https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/what-puranic-historians-wont-accept-horse-drawn-war-chariot-is-younger-than-harappan-civilisation/article29442496.ece

What Puranic historians won’t accept

The oldest horse-drawn spoked-wheel war chariot in the world is younger than the Harappan civilisation.

Ranjona Nov 18, 2019

@cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Yes, genome studies are turning old established notions on their heads. Now we can fight over which "eve" we got our mitochondrial DNA from!!

Manny Nov 18, 2019

@ranjona @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Yes Ranjona. This is the guy David Reich who along with Vasant Shinde & many others did the study.

What the study has proved that the original settlers were the Hunter gatherers & Peaceful Iranian Settlers who formed the IVC. Vedas came much much later
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/09/genome-nearly-5000-year-old-woman-links-modern-indians-ancient-civilization

Genome of nearly 5000-year-old woman links modern Indians to ancient civilization

DNA from Harappan suggests South Asians can trace their ancestry to Indus Valley Civilization

RAJESH KUMAR (@rkhuria)Nov 18, 2019

@ranjona @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Is there anything conclusive one can read on Aryan Invasion Theory, that Bhakts so stoutly deny?

Manny Nov 18, 2019

@rkhuria @ranjona @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
You no longer call it Aryan Invassion.

The easiest book to understand is the "Early Indians"by Tony Joseph.

https://scroll.in/article/874102/aryan-migration-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-study-on-indian-genetics

Aryan migration: Everything you need to know about the new study on Indian genetics

The study says some sort of migration did indeed take place into India and that the Indus Valley civilisation is key to all South Asian populations.

RAJESH KUMAR (@rkhuria)Nov 18, 2019

@cprogrammer @ranjona @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Thanks.

Ranjona Nov 18, 2019

@rkhuria @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
As someone mentioned here, Tony Joseph's Early Indians is a good place to start. Also reports on the human genome project in various science journals. Including work done by the molecular research lab in Hyderabad.

Manny Nov 18, 2019

@ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
For those who are interested, here is the link to the research paper. It has been peer reviewed and now more or less the accepted fact. Tony Joseph's book heavily borrows from this paper

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/03/31/292581.full.pdf

Ranjona Nov 18, 2019

@rkhuria @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Not that the Bhakts will be impressed by science. They have Vedic spacecraft and whatnot, after all!!

Manny Nov 18, 2019

@ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Bhakts will not like it because it makes Sanskrit, Vedas foreign and not indigenous. In fact, they tried planting a malicious article that the Rakigarhi DNA proves Aryan invasion never took place. Here is that article
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/rakhigarhi-dna-study-questions-aryan-invasion-theory-claims-author/articleshow/71001985.cms

Rakhigarhi DNA study questions Aryan invasion theory, claims author

The findings are based on the study of the ancient genome in the skeletons excavated from Rakhigarhi.

Ranjona Nov 19, 2019

@cprogrammer @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Of course, what we don't want to talk about our the migrations out of Africa. And that's the story of the whole planet!! Plus, heh heh, our close proximity to fruit flies. So much for caste superiority!!!

Manny Nov 19, 2019

@ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
The genetic studies reveal original settlers were the Iranian (not Aryan) farmers & Hunter gatherers from Africa (like the tribes of Andaman & Nicobar Islands). They formed IVC with language most probably Dravidian (not Sanskrit or Vedas).
https://scroll.in/latest/937821/tamil-nadu-artifacts-dated-to-583-bce-hint-at-script-continuity-from-indus-valley-civilisation

Tamil Nadu: Artefacts dated to 580 BCE hint at script continuity from Indus Valley Civilisation

The findings at the site in Keezhadi, near Madurai, push back the date of Tamil Brahmi script, which is the precursor to modern Tamil, by another century.

Vijay Nov 19, 2019

@cprogrammer @ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan R. Balakrishnan IAS, traces this migration (IVC to down south) by following trails of broken pieces of mud pots.. he calls it "Pot Route".

https://youtu.be/93mqRKgoezU

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Manny Nov 19, 2019

@ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Keezhadi - Tamil Nadu : Artifacts dated to 583 BC hint at script continuity from Indus Valley Civilization

This could be the moment that could rewrite the entire history of India.

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/major-discovery-tamil-nadu-s-keezhadi-possible-link-indus-valley-civilisation-109165

Major discovery in Tamil Nadu’s Keezhadi: A possible link to Indus Valley Civilisation

In what may be a major discovery for Indian history, artefacts found in excavations carried out at Keezhadi in Tamil Nadu’s Sivagangai district have determined a possible link between the scripts of the Indus Valley Civilisation and Tamil Brahmi, which is the precursor to modern Tamil. Another major discovery was that there was an urban civilisation in Tamil Nadu that was contemporary to the Gangetic plain civilisation.

tamil1947 Nov 19, 2019

@cprogrammer @ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan

More extensive and deeper excavation is still pending. ASI and Union Govt have been dragging feet. Some powers seem to be uncomfortable in ancient native culture.

tamil1947 Nov 19, 2019

@cprogrammer @ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan

Comically, conveniently and selfishly the same lot were attempting to identify self with European branch when Euro hegemony was in vogue.

Vivek Nov 19, 2019

@tamil1947
To be frank where we came from is not what bothers me as much as where we have arrived now...and am trying to figure out the how and why of it.

@cprogrammer @ranjona @rkhuria @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan

tamil1947 Nov 19, 2019

@VivekT @cprogrammer @ranjona @rkhuria @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan

That's how all of us transparent-minded have been doing.

But, the supremacist wolves have been exploiting us socially, materially, ethnically with soins, myths, manus & other manipulations & psy-ops.

Now we have to plant our feet deep in past & present, to retrieve future from cunning caspian fascists. Especially since 2014.

@ranjona oh yes! My son got it done out of curiosity and turns out he has European genes from his mothers side with a couple of 4/5th degree living cousins in Netherlands. Left us wondering as to what might have happened there... 😳

It’s interesting!

@cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan

Vivek Nov 19, 2019

@tariquesani @ranjona @cprogrammer @salm456 @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Interesting but not unbelievable.

Ranjona Nov 19, 2019

@tariquesani @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Maybe we'll realise there is one human race...

Vivek Nov 19, 2019

@ranjona @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
How come no Union Minister has yet claimed that "Gotra" is the result of genome studies carried out in Vedic times?
Guess if I make such a claim I will be awarded a "Golwalkar Research Fellow Grant"

Manny Nov 18, 2019

@VivekT @KayKap @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
The Rig Vedia itself mentions twice born. There are too many instances trash and extreme tribalism. e.g. checkout the Ashwamedh Yagna. Now that the DNA evidence has come that all these came from the pastorals who migrated from the steppes, it makes sense. There are many things common between the Zen Avesta & Rig Veda, except that Asuras & Deivas interchanged.

Amit Ramesan 🇮🇳Nov 18, 2019

Timeout!!

Can we please get back to discussing what we want to achieve in the next 5 years?

And how?

@cprogrammer @VivekT @KayKap @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @ranjona

Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@AmitRamesan By having a wide based discussion we are trying to attract more like minded persons into the conversation. Once that is acheived we can try and fix goals.
@cprogrammer @KayKap @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @ranjona

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@AmitRamesan Devising was and means of unseating Modi and correcting the course of the country... @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @ranjona

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

Muchos apologies *ways* not was @AmitRamesan @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @ranjona

Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@KayKap No need to apologise. I realized the typo only after you mentioned it.🙂