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Vivek Nov 16, 2019

@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
The specific question i raised was were we liberals caught by surprise and shocked by his ascendancy or we were expecting it?
If we were shocked we should analyse where we went wrong. Were we complacent and condescending with the people who we now criticize and label as "bhakts"?
Anyway only navel gazing won't help. The idea is to find a solution and a voice.

@VivekT I personally was shocked and surprised. I always use to boast my India will not allow it. My friends from all religion are very secure and secular they will see through it and not support. All that has unfortunately been proven wrong. People I have known for half a century appear like strangers, nay zombies following some unresistable force. I can’t fathom what could I have done differently

@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani
So how are you dealing with it and what do you see is the way forward?

@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

@VivekT I don’t think I am dealing with it at all, other than just be stunned! At times doubting my own self...

What do you do when a childhood friend says your death could be an acceptable collateral damage? Or suddenly when my silence is the price asked for “inclusion”?

@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani Not to be facetious, but you tell them to please consider you dead to them and them to you and you cut the chord that binds... safer to stay sane and non threatened than to be told your loss is acceptable collateral damage; or that silence is the price you must pay.. @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

@KayKap
That in my book would be surrender. I am willing to accept what is but I am not willing to surrender. Also, pray where do I go?
These were more of brothers to me than my own brothers! My parents really “integrated” in the true ganga-jamuni sense. I can blame them?

@VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani Have been where U r at; I considered being alive & able to protest/put fwd my view another day as a win. Emotions are currently hyper-charged; someone will have to take the step back... imho... @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani Sometimes a strategic retreat works wonders; allows you to calm down, think, re-devise and return stronger... understand you are feeling alienated... I am currently receiving similar vibes from some chuddy-buddies ...
@VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

@KayKap
Well I intend to be there, in view, Stoic in my silence. I anyways rarely speak.

Let’s see how it pans out. Sooner or later somebody will come for them or their children too. Thanks for your concern though.

@VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Salman Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Everything thats going to happen is already before us. The worst that could happen is a Hindu Rashtra. And Hindu Rashtra is more dangerous for Hindus than for Muslims. If your friends have become hateful, then just observe them closely. Because you may be having the best view of how people are being indoctrinated by hate.

nawedbelagam Nov 18, 2019

@salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona I still don't think that Hindu rashtra will happen. Yes Muslims specifically and other minorities generally will be suppressed more and more. No hate situation can go on for long.

Salman Nov 18, 2019

@nawedbelagam @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona The hate for secularism itself is the foundation of Hindu Rashtra. India may become Hindu Rashtra, but it cant survive as a Hindu State.

NSure ✔Nov 19, 2019

@salm456 @nawedbelagam @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan
@ranjona

Somebody pls tell me 3 - ok 2, alright, 1 benefit of being a hindu rashtra. Are we that fucking big, to go it alone in a world where we'd be jokers with our cows & cloud & radar, with a rapidly regressing economy???

Why does the bjpee want to inflict this humiliation on itself and us???

Manny Nov 19, 2019

@NSure @salm456 @nawedbelagam @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan @ranjona
Why the BJP is donig this? Because we are a nation of superstitious morons and we fall for it. Do you remember this when the entire nation, including Tamil Nadu fell for 'Ganesha Drinking Milk' Miracle?

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-38301718/the-milk-miracle-that-brought-india-to-a-standstill

The ‘milk miracle’ that brought India to a standstill

In September 1995, millions of Hindus were gripped by an apparent "miracle" when the god Ganesha seemed to be drinking milk.

nawedbelagam Nov 19, 2019

@cprogrammer @NSure @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan @ranjona Very true. We don't understand the basics of religion and depend on clergy to tell us what is what and that leads to superstition. It is prevalent among Muslims too.

NSure ✔Nov 19, 2019

@nawedbelagam @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan @ranjona

True, Nawedbhai... ultimately, religion has ended up dividing man, dividing land, dividing minds... There is a Malayalam film song - KJ Yesudas won his first National Award for it, if I remember - which says,

"Man created Religions. Religions created Gods and Devils. Religion"s, Gods and Devils together divided the land. Shared human minds..."

Ranjona Nov 19, 2019

@NSure @nawedbelagam @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan
Interesting as this discussion is, I don't think history and facts are going to make a difference to rightwing politics. Religion is always open to question because it's based on belief. We need to stress and fight for the importance of democracy where our differences don't matter. Otherwise, there's no hope.

@ranjona @nawedbelagam @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan

Unfortunately so... these khaki shorts THRIVE in an environment of superstition, blind belief and ignorance to science & fact!

Why else is a minister talking about the hump of the Indian cow producing gold?????

Why else are stupid folk rubbing themselves with cow dung, in the hope that they will live longer and healthier????