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Vivek Nov 16, 2019

@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
The specific question i raised was were we liberals caught by surprise and shocked by his ascendancy or we were expecting it?
If we were shocked we should analyse where we went wrong. Were we complacent and condescending with the people who we now criticize and label as "bhakts"?
Anyway only navel gazing won't help. The idea is to find a solution and a voice.

@VivekT I personally was shocked and surprised. I always use to boast my India will not allow it. My friends from all religion are very secure and secular they will see through it and not support. All that has unfortunately been proven wrong. People I have known for half a century appear like strangers, nay zombies following some unresistable force. I can’t fathom what could I have done differently

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Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani
So how are you dealing with it and what do you see is the way forward?

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@VivekT I don’t think I am dealing with it at all, other than just be stunned! At times doubting my own self...

What do you do when a childhood friend says your death could be an acceptable collateral damage? Or suddenly when my silence is the price asked for “inclusion”?

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Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani Not to be facetious, but you tell them to please consider you dead to them and them to you and you cut the chord that binds... safer to stay sane and non threatened than to be told your loss is acceptable collateral damage; or that silence is the price you must pay.. @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

@KayKap
That in my book would be surrender. I am willing to accept what is but I am not willing to surrender. Also, pray where do I go?
These were more of brothers to me than my own brothers! My parents really “integrated” in the true ganga-jamuni sense. I can blame them?

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Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani Have been where U r at; I considered being alive & able to protest/put fwd my view another day as a win. Emotions are currently hyper-charged; someone will have to take the step back... imho... @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani Sometimes a strategic retreat works wonders; allows you to calm down, think, re-devise and return stronger... understand you are feeling alienated... I am currently receiving similar vibes from some chuddy-buddies ...
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@KayKap
Well I intend to be there, in view, Stoic in my silence. I anyways rarely speak.

Let’s see how it pans out. Sooner or later somebody will come for them or their children too. Thanks for your concern though.

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Salman Nov 18, 2019

@tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Everything thats going to happen is already before us. The worst that could happen is a Hindu Rashtra. And Hindu Rashtra is more dangerous for Hindus than for Muslims. If your friends have become hateful, then just observe them closely. Because you may be having the best view of how people are being indoctrinated by hate.

Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@salm456 I am surprised why any of the intellectuals have not pointed out that "Hindu Rashtra" is an Oxymoron. A religion which believes that superiority or inferiority depends on the accident of birth can never unite its practitioners ultimately. Divide, subdivide and rule is its Mantra.
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Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@VivekT Thing is that Hinduism isn't truly a religion; it was initially a philosophy of sorts, a guide to a more spiritual journey (or so I was taught); and it was self-doable, meaning intermediaries were not required. That angered so-called middle fellas/is and they coined rites and rituals to reach God. And thence began the classes, the dos/don'ts; 2day notion of a Hindu Rashtra..
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Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@KayKap
That is what i believe too but the Sanatanis say the Vedas are here since the beginning and the Atharvashirsha which justifies casteism is from the Rg Veda. Then Hinduism was never egalitarian. Today this theory seems to be having the most adherents.
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Kirti Nov 18, 2019

@VivekT I can only share what I was taught /has been reinforced to date. The part that you talk of was never a part of the initial Rg Veda; it was added later. Ancient Indian scriptures: the 4 Veds, the Upanishads & the Puranas. It is said there was a 5th Ved, but it was destroyed & completely lost. It is also said that 1part was tacked on to the Rg Veda and thence begat all the issues.. @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Vivek Nov 18, 2019

@KayKapAgreed. What I tooted is what the Sanatanis try to make me believe albeit unsuccessfully. @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Manny Nov 18, 2019

@VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
The sanatanis will never accept.
But now we have the Rakhigarhi DNA which is rewriting the history. Try to get your hands on the Book "The Early Indians" by Tony Joseph. Meanwhile you can read this

https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/what-puranic-historians-wont-accept-horse-drawn-war-chariot-is-younger-than-harappan-civilisation/article29442496.ece

What Puranic historians won’t accept

The oldest horse-drawn spoked-wheel war chariot in the world is younger than the Harappan civilisation.

Ranjona Nov 18, 2019

@cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Yes, genome studies are turning old established notions on their heads. Now we can fight over which "eve" we got our mitochondrial DNA from!!

RAJESH KUMAR (@rkhuria)Nov 18, 2019

@ranjona @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Is there anything conclusive one can read on Aryan Invasion Theory, that Bhakts so stoutly deny?

Ranjona Nov 18, 2019

@rkhuria @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Not that the Bhakts will be impressed by science. They have Vedic spacecraft and whatnot, after all!!

Manny Nov 18, 2019

@ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Bhakts will not like it because it makes Sanskrit, Vedas foreign and not indigenous. In fact, they tried planting a malicious article that the Rakigarhi DNA proves Aryan invasion never took place. Here is that article
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/rakhigarhi-dna-study-questions-aryan-invasion-theory-claims-author/articleshow/71001985.cms

Rakhigarhi DNA study questions Aryan invasion theory, claims author

The findings are based on the study of the ancient genome in the skeletons excavated from Rakhigarhi.

Ranjona Nov 19, 2019

@cprogrammer @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
Of course, what we don't want to talk about our the migrations out of Africa. And that's the story of the whole planet!! Plus, heh heh, our close proximity to fruit flies. So much for caste superiority!!!

@ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
The genetic studies reveal original settlers were the Iranian (not Aryan) farmers & Hunter gatherers from Africa (like the tribes of Andaman & Nicobar Islands). They formed IVC with language most probably Dravidian (not Sanskrit or Vedas).
https://scroll.in/latest/937821/tamil-nadu-artifacts-dated-to-583-bce-hint-at-script-continuity-from-indus-valley-civilisation

Tamil Nadu: Artefacts dated to 580 BCE hint at script continuity from Indus Valley Civilisation

The findings at the site in Keezhadi, near Madurai, push back the date of Tamil Brahmi script, which is the precursor to modern Tamil, by another century.

Vijay Nov 19, 2019

@cprogrammer @ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan R. Balakrishnan IAS, traces this migration (IVC to down south) by following trails of broken pieces of mud pots.. he calls it "Pot Route".

https://youtu.be/93mqRKgoezU

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