@Gargron The Wil Wheaton drama coupled with the hoards of John McCain "shitposting" (honestly some of the rudest messages I've ever seen on social media) really turned me off from the so-called good qualities this website offered. Corporatized Twitter sucks, but mob-fueled digitized verbal lynching is not a proper or coherent rival. Maybe social media in general needs revitalization and not half-hearted attempts at becoming the "next big thing" in the short attention span of the internet.

@Gargron To summarize, the site has evolved from a good-natured alternative into a "you're either with us or fuck you" social club that seems to exist solely to make fun of those who don't agree, constantly bring up "the problems" with "birdsite", and circlejerk pointless information for the rip-off "toots" that rarely exist as the site is split off into different sub-communities that do not seem to interact - yet all serve the same purpose.

@Gargron Also - basic sociology - when too many categories are created, those categories become worthless. The overuse of content warnings on this site break the overall flow of the timelines and creates a terrible situation where "if everything is content warning'd, then nothing is content warning'd at all."

@josephkaminski ...are you serious? simply "being rude" in the abstract isn't against the rules, john mccain was unequivocally a terrible person, and using the cw feature is a courtesy just like adding an email subject line

@trwnh did you not see the majority of the posts that I did? It went further than "being rude". Treating someone as entirely inhumane for being a "terrible person" (which I agree, he was) does not make you self-righteous and good-hearted.

@josephkaminski well, that's a matter where many people will disagree with you. there's no love lost for war criminals, bigots, and oppressors.

@trwnh it is entirely hypocritical of someone to treat their enemies in such a way when they would freak out if their enemies treated them the same way. You do not have to respect someone to be humane in discussion. I do not like McCain, but the "I wish I could have killed him before brain cancer could", "fuck him and his entire bloodline", and even worse thoughts that I will not write here is not a good way to show that you do not like somebody. That is the first step to an Us vs Them society.

@josephkaminski Here's a counterargument: marginalized people are already treated terribly, and they owe no civility to their oppressors. As for the last bit, well... "the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles." Conflict between oppressor and oppressed didn't just spring into being because some smarmy old todger died. Your analysis is lacking any consideration for power dynamics and "punching up".

@trwnh being the bigger person takes effort, being the bigger person through proving the other side wrong with logic, reasoning, and humanity changes the world. Putting a communist symbol in a username to be edgy and calling someone a derogatory word (ironically on a safe-space site dedicated to CW) takes no effort and makes no difference in the world and only leads to distancing "power dynamics" among different sides.

@josephkaminski Logic and reasoning are weaknesses to be exploited by those who don't believe in them. The fact that you think things are "edgy" or "derogatory" and that you call this a "safe space" are clear signals of your politics, so I'll only say this: there is no irony here. It's not toxic or harassing to speak negatively of a terrible person among comrades, especially not a dead one.

@trwnh also, derogatory - showing a critical or disrespectful attitude - I'm sure you wouldn't tell me the words "f*ggot", "r*tard", etc. are not derogatory words. All words used against McCain, in this example, on this website through "shitposting". Your lack of humanity is generally disturbing, and your understanding of toxicity is limited to your Tajfel-induced ingrouping.

@josephkaminski If you saw those words used against anyone, McCain included, you could report them at any time and those users would be suspended for homophobia and ableism. The fact that you bring them up only incidentally leads me to doubt you actually saw them.

@trwnh Why else would I be writing a long-winded, god-damned argument at 1 in the morning about a social media platform? For fun? I saw them and much worse. I do not understand what you mean by incidentally when they have a logical reason to be brought up.

@josephkaminski If it's 1 in the morning, I'd suggest you get some sleep.