guccihoffa: wish it wasn’t soAug 18, 2018
james

VOYAGER:
- Imperialist (frequently violating prime directive) ❌
- Misogynist (Seven of Nine exists to be abused and gaslit) ❌
- Racist (Ensign Kim is never promoted, unlike white characters; also Chakotay's entire character) ❌

DS9:
- Anti-imperialist (5 season arc about resisting empire; station exists to help Bajor rebuild from occupation) ✅
- Pro-labor (Rom forms a union, is the hero) ✅
- Deeply struggles with how to defend socialism in a hostile world of struggling imperial powers ✅

Aug 18, 2018 at 3:48pmWeb
Show threadRooAug 18, 2018
@buffalocialism more 👏 female 👏 Federation 👏 law 👏 violators 👏
Show threadLightningcatAug 18, 2018
@buffalocialism Avery Brooks is also a powerful dramatic lead and his character has so much more depth than Janeway.
Show threadjamesAug 18, 2018
@WiremanW i really like janeway's character, and i think all the actors do a great job with the writing theyre handed. part of why sisko gets more development is he gets scenes with family that janeway never gets; she's more isolated just because of the plot
Show threadLightningcatAug 18, 2018
@buffalocialism Kate Mulgrew is a good actor but she's no Brooks. I agree that alot of the fault lies with the writers (especially regarding 7). I'll still rewatch it but cringe.
Show threadalex the knife emoji haver 🔪Aug 18, 2018
@buffalocialism i've been saying this for years THANK YOU
Show threadka-ka-ka-keon~🎵Aug 18, 2018
@buffalocialism ds9 is so good that there are only a few bad episodes
Show threadHieronymus Burps 🥦Aug 18, 2018
@buffalocialism also critiques of subtle cultural imperialism via root beer
Show threaddr. catAug 18, 2018
@buffalocialism i gotta rewatch ds9 someday. though i fired up episode 1, obliviously, and me & partner-at-the-time got fucking steamrolled by avery brooks and wife death
Show threadfelony wife fraudAug 18, 2018
@buffalocialism Voyager was absolute liberalism in the “MORE 👏🏻 WOMEN 👏🏻 COPS” sense by making Janeway captain and then having her basically be a terrorist
Show threadTibius ReynoldsAug 18, 2018

@buffalocialism
DS9: Section 31 is authoritarian imperialism.
DS9: Every mirror universe episode is about how lesbians are evil.
DS9: Ferengi are a jewish stereotype and every one is played by a jewish actor.

Voyager: Um, Kirk never breaks the prime directive?
Voyager: Seven of nine is perfect, actually.
Voyager: Harry Kim is a chronic screw-up so he never gets promoted, which actually subverts the stereotype of the overachieving asian. He’s just this dude. It’s okay to be just this dude.

Show threadDustin D. WindAug 18, 2018
@tibius @buffalocialism Wrt the PD and Kirk, please correct me if I'm wrong: Weren't the villains of at least a few Star Trek: Original episodes, captains who had gotten stranded and thought that meant it was fine to break the heck out of the PD? That's half the plot of Voyager, and I pity the Starfleet captain who walks into all the baggage Voyager left behind in the name of survival.
Show threadImogen TootsAug 18, 2018
@buffalocialism
Voyager: Gilligan's Island in space.
DS9: Talking about stuff while hanging out in an airport.
Show threadBen C 🏴Aug 18, 2018
@buffalocialism kinda feel like ds9 still has an imperialism problem, tbh I'd watch a whole series just about the maquis
Show threadscarmanAug 18, 2018
@buffalocialism also Sisko refusing to go to Vic's because that would be a tacit acceptance of how racist America was in reality at that time was so great.
Show threadAmes GrawertAug 19, 2018
@buffalocialism don’t forget how it showcased and celebrated complex sexuality — the Dax symbiote’s storyline and Jadzia marrying into a different culture based on her [symbiote’s] past male experiences