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I consider selling all my #StarCitizen ships and buy a nice server for that money instead.
OSIRIS 🎸 💻 🎙️@selea What a cliffhanger...
sabotrax@selea Then wait for private servers and spawn yourself Javelins at will.
Aroop Roelofs
Phil Rudland@PhilRudland Poor soul D: @selea
I bought my first in 2013 :P
Then got some as a gift a few years back.
Played a shitton in 2017-2019, then I gave my PC to my son
@selea @finlaydag33k
#StarCitizen is becoming a really impressive game now. The latest patch brings huge changes and lays the foundation for even bigger changes over this year and next.
#StarCitizen is becoming a really impressive game now. The latest patch brings huge changes and lays the foundation for even bigger changes over this year and next.
@PhilRudland I'm surprised people even bother with it still...
- It's behind on schedule by over 8 years.
- Went 27x times over budget.
- Still not even nowhere near finished.
I get it that you may enjoy the game but honestly, the game should have long be dead...
@selea No fortunately not, I'd rather spend my money on games that aren't obvious scams :p
Scams is supposed to not deliver anything, but there is a great product called star citizen that is enjoyable :)
You can try it on the free weekends, so you can se the progress.
@selea A scam isn't exactly just "not delivering anything".
A scam can also constitute not delivering as promised... Which sounds oddly like Star Citizen ;)
I have a friend that has SC and he's still waiting for his *original purchases 8 years after they were promised*...
How is that not a scam?
@finlaydag33k @selea
#StarCitizen
If he bought a ship that has not yet been delivered, that does not make it a scam. There are reasons given why some ships are not in game as yet. A lot of those reasons are now being answered by PES.
Still no facts...keep trying.
#StarCitizen
If he bought a ship that has not yet been delivered, that does not make it a scam. There are reasons given why some ships are not in game as yet. A lot of those reasons are now being answered by PES.
Still no facts...keep trying.
@PhilRudland "some ships" (and features cus those are also plenty missing)...
My dude, those things were *literally the first things that should have been added*.
You're literally coping instead of admitting you are supporting a scam 
@finlaydag33k @selea
#StarCitzen
Ahh so you believe a capital ship with 100 crew should be ingame when servers only support 50 people???
rofl
#StarCitzen
Ahh so you believe a capital ship with 100 crew should be ingame when servers only support 50 people???
rofl
@PhilRudland
> When servers only support 50 people.
Thank you for literally proving me correct.
That game, should have been *properly supporting thousands of players 8 years ago*.
Cope harder my dude.
Raúl Devezas@finlaydag33k @PhilRudland @selea
Sorry to jump in your discussion.
Even though I can see your point of view, they promised something and haven't delivered it (yet), I wouldn't call it a scam (yet).
If you spend money on something, and you're still waiting for it, you were not scammed.
IF there comes a point when they say "tough luck you're not getting what you paid for", THEN it becomes a scam.
If you're happy playing (and paying), that's all that matters.
Enjoy yourselves.
@rauldevezas I disagree with that viewpoint for the simple fact of how abstract it is.
Say, you bought something (and paid) and I deliver to promise it by summer of 2023.
I don't deliver it but instead say: "No, I'm upgrading it, just wait until 2025!"
Then, in 2025, I say: "I had some issues, just wait until 2028."
In 2028, I say: "I'm still working on it just wait until 2035".
With your definition, I'm allowed to push it basically indefinitely but it never becomes a scam.
@finlaydag33k @PhilRudland @selea
Couple of nibbles here, correct me if I'm wrong (and I might be):
- I believe this started as a crowd funding for the game. The game that exists and you can play it.
- This ship things you guys are talking, when selling did they announce that the ship would be ready at X date?
- Are you (not you specifically) happy with the product you're getting?
The answers to this, for me, define if you're getting scammed or not. Common sense takes over.
@rauldevezas
- Yesn't. The game exists but most of the promised things aren't there yet.
- Yes, they announced it that the game would be finished in 2014 for a funding of 2m total, not a glorified alpha in 2023 with over 500m in funding (which also violates Kickstarter's rules - though this violation only became clear after the campaign).
- I have luckily not paid a red cent for it, though my friend (who has) definitely isn't (guy has a stroke each time you mention SC).
@rauldevezas I do want to point to a different game called "Elite Dangerous".
This game started dev shortly after SC (with a Kickstarter shortly before SC) and has been finished (2014) with its first DLC (2021).
A lot of the core features that SC also promised are there.
So basically ED is what SC originally promised but ED stuck to their promise and delivered, in time (albeit the DLC had its issues during release but those are fixed).
and ofc, there's No Man's Sky...
@finlaydag33k @selea
#StarCitizen Perhaps you should get your facts straight.
We the players voted for it to be expanded from the original concept, so no, it is not 8 years late.
It has never been over budget, because we voted for it to get bigger.
We the players keep the game going by willingly paying for ships and ENJOYING ourselves while we do.
#StarCitizen Perhaps you should get your facts straight.
We the players voted for it to be expanded from the original concept, so no, it is not 8 years late.
It has never been over budget, because we voted for it to get bigger.
We the players keep the game going by willingly paying for ships and ENJOYING ourselves while we do.
@PhilRudland
- It wasn't even beyond a *tech demo* when it was supposed to be deliverable.
- The votes were done by barely over 7% of the citizenbase, those votes, are not "the will of the community".
- The game doesn't have the initial set of features promised in the OG kick starter.
- People are still waiting for ships they pay thousands for.
Tell me, how does that "vote" constitute an argument for not even having delivered the original promises?
@finlaydag33k @selea
#StarCitizen is a game in production. It is playable as is. People were asked to vote and they did. Those who did not vote - well, that is their fault.
That vote meant that the whole original schedule was thrown out the window for something bigger and better which we are now starting to get.
We already have more than originally promised. Space to planet landings without cut scenes etc..
Still no facts from you ... carry on.
#StarCitizen is a game in production. It is playable as is. People were asked to vote and they did. Those who did not vote - well, that is their fault.
That vote meant that the whole original schedule was thrown out the window for something bigger and better which we are now starting to get.
We already have more than originally promised. Space to planet landings without cut scenes etc..
Still no facts from you ... carry on.
@PhilRudland
So tell me... If I make a vote here in The Netherlands and invite all citizens to do so, that states that we should get rid of the House of Representatives in the govt...
I get a majority (>= 51%) vote but only 7% really showed up.
We should now get rid of the House of Representatives.
That's literally what you say.
Keep coping my dude.
@finlaydag33k @selea
#StarCitizen In an election, the person with the highest votes wins in a first past the post scenario. They do not look at the %age of people who voted.
#StarCitizen In an election, the person with the highest votes wins in a first past the post scenario. They do not look at the %age of people who voted.
@PhilRudland No, in an election they also take the amount of people that have come.
If that amount is below a certain threshold, the vote is deemed "illegitimate".
7%, is far below what is deemed a "reasonable" number for that.
Keep coping.
@finlaydag33k
#StarCitizen
As for coping, I have no need or desire to.
You are just a bitter person for some reason who cannot see facts.
But hey, that is your problem, not mine.
You have wasted enough of my time now, so good bye. I hope you feel better soon 🙂
#StarCitizen
As for coping, I have no need or desire to.
You are just a bitter person for some reason who cannot see facts.
But hey, that is your problem, not mine.
You have wasted enough of my time now, so good bye. I hope you feel better soon 🙂
@finlaydag33k When you say 27x over budget, you seem to not understand the concept of crowd funding...
@cintara Instead of saying "wrong, you don't understand it", at least back your argument (no pun intended)...
What according to you is "the concept of crowd funding"?
@finlaydag33k Just think the through steps! Crowd funding is when you state a plan and a cost that you expect will be required to complete it. Then people pledge. You have no control over how much they pledge, so you have no control over how much you get funded. When Star Citizen started they got more than 10x the amount they requested for the original plan. What should Chris Roberts have done? Completed the original promise and run off with the rest? That would really be a Scam!
@cintara Chris should have completed the original promise, the stretch goals the "over-pledging" has unlocked and then with the rest of the money, continue development for new features that weren't in the original goal.
E:D did this just fine, so that argument isn't valid.
Then there is the fact the original promises haven't even been delivered, yet he continues raking in money left right and center.
He got *way* more than originally requested but didn't even deliver the original promises?
1/2
@cintara I re-did my calculations btw, it wasn't 27x but 1095x over budget.
Yes, he got 1095x the amount originally requested, is 8 years behind schedule and still hasn't delivered more than what is a glorified tech-demo.
I'm sorry, but if you get that amount of money but couldn't deliver the promised basics in due time?
2/2
@finlaydag33k Reiterating how much more money he got does nothing except increase your indignation. Why keep doing it? The fact is that he got so much more from the original Kickstarter that the original plan was no longer viable. I have suggested that they should set aside 14 devs (out of currently 850) for two years to make a "mini-SC" according to the original plan, just to shut up the whiners, but no one thought it was a good idea. Next to what we already have, it would be worthless.
@cintara
- Undertale: Got 10x the money they required, delivered as promised and expanded.
- DOS: Got 2x the money they required, delivered as promised and expanded.
- DOS2: Got 4x time money (actually about the same amounts as SC) they required, delivered as promised and expanded.
- SC: Got 4x the money they required, didn't deliver as promised.
FYI: SC literally had "stretch goals"... So they had it in their "original plan"...
Your argument is literally invalid...
@cintara To add to the invalidity of your argument: E:D also got a lot more money than they required (not 4x the amount but still a decent bit more)...
Delivered as promised and expanded.
How come all these games get more money than they required, delivered according to their "original plan" and expanded...
Yet SC couldn't even deliver their "original plan"...
@finlaydag33k I have explained twice and I am not getting through to you, so I will try a different tack: What are you looking for? What do you want to happen? What do you want CIG to do?
@cintara "I am not getting through to you"
Probably because your arguments are invalid?
What do I want CIG to do?
Either deliver the game they promised to so many people or shutdown and stop scamming? 
@finlaydag33k "So many people": Kickstarters: 34k people. Current paying backers: 1.4 million. "shutdown and stop scamming": You don't want to let those 1.4 million have fun just because you aren't having fun? Really? That is what you want? You know what that makes you?
@cintara
>Promises something.
>34K people back.
>Never delivers promises.
>New morons come in.
>SC: "The stuff we promised to those 34K doesn't matter anymore because we don't want to let down our current 1.4M citizenbase!"
Scammers love people like you
@finlaydag33k Wow! You really are that person then! When I call you out on it, your response is to call the 1.4M backers "morons". You are a shame on humanity! I have no more empathy for you.
@cintara Yes, indeed, I am that person that is able to have rational thought instead of bending over to some scam corp and snorting massive amounts of copium :^)
If anything, people like you are a shame on humanity for allowing scam corps to exist the way they do :^)