StrypeyJul 12, 2018

More disturbingly bad pop psychology misdiagnosis of the "social media" problem ...

> "The mainstream social internet is so big; everyone is connected to everyone, over a billion on Facebook alone. The consequences of connection — fake news, radicalization, massive targeted harassment campaigns, algorithmically-generated psychological torment, inane bullshit — were not part of what we were sold."
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/28/16795090/internet-community-2017-post-mortem-tumblr-amino-drip-tinyletter

The year we wanted the internet to be smaller

Why tiny, weird online communities made a comeback in 2017

Show threadStrypeyJul 12, 2018
I agree all these things are bad, but they're not new, and they're definitely not "consequences of connection", but the consequences of corporate-owned media, ad-based revenue model, and political bitterness caused by rising inequality. We migrated to the net in the 90s because the same perfect storm had hopelessly warped TV, and we naively thought the net might be different.
Show threadStrypey
All the pearl-clutching and hand-wringing over weird YT kids videos makes we wonder if any of these people ever saw kids TV? I well remember the terrifyingly weird psy-op tactics advertisers used to prime kids to use "pester power", both in the "programs" themselves (remember Transformers and Masters of the Universe toys and their "TV shows") as well as in the ad breaks between them.
Jul 12, 2018 at 10:34amWeb
Show threadStrypeyJul 12, 2018
The good news is, it's still much cheaper and easier to set up a webserver or any other kind of internet server for ourselves, individually or as a community, than it has ever been to set up a micro-radio ("pirate radio") or micro-TV ("pirate TV") broadcast. I helped set up some micro-radio stations in early 2000s, so I'm speaking from experience here. Plus, servers can do a much greater range of things, and any webserver has much greater potential reach than local radio or TV (cool as they are)
Show threadStrypeyJul 12, 2018
Imagine a federated platform like #PeerTube that replace #iTunes for distributing podcasts. It would have all the benefits of pirate radio (or #HackerPublicRadio); diverse voices, a plurality of sources, decentralized production and consumption, plus all the benefits of iTunes; any podcaster can potentially heard by anyone in a global audience, and without the downsides of a platform controlled by a single gatekeeper like Apple corporation.
Show threadchava (mstdn.mx)Jul 12, 2018

@strypey

re: federated platform for podcasts...

while I'm not aware of an existing one, potentially funkwhale can serve this function...

https://code.eliotberriot.com/funkwhale/funkwhale/issues/170

[Feature Request] Support Podcasts (#170) · Issues · funkwhale / funkwhale

I would like to see Funkwhale support audio podcasts. As these are just audio files, storage would be the same as storing music. A podcast would only differ from a...

Show threadStrypeyJul 16, 2018
@xavavu maybe, but see:
https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/100374424472934547
Strypey (was at Quitter.se) (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] it may be worth having a project dedicated to federated podcast discovery and delivery, rather than trying to get #FunkWhale to add features that don't serve it's core purpose. Maybe a soft fork, where back-end code is shared where appropriate, but the UIs are developed separately, each focused on its own use case?

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Show threadartsyhonker aka KathrynJul 12, 2018

@strypey Don't most people use RSS for podcasts?

(I don't know, I just know I listen to podcasts without using iTunes)

Show threadSwitchJul 13, 2018
@artsyhonker iTunes uses rss to deliver podcasts, doesn't it? And #peertube will have rss support too. I think the point it to use the rss from anything but big corporations. @strypey
Show threadStrypeyJul 14, 2018
@switch @artsyhonker yes, "podcasting" began as Apple-speak for 'delivering audio blogs by #RSS' before it became a generic buzzphrase ;P But like YT does for video, iTunes does more than just delivery, it's also a place to discover new content and new creators. We've had #FreeCode tube site stacks for years (#Plumi, #MediaGoblin etc), but #PeerTube is a game changer because is allows federated search across multiple independent tube sites via #ActivityPub.
Show threadmoved to @[email protected]Jul 14, 2018
@strypey @switch @artsyhonker ehhhh theres more to the history of the term #podcast then your letting on. There is a certain person over here on the #fediverse that is best suited to tell that story: @adam
Show threadStrypeyJul 16, 2018
@wakest @switch @artsyhonker @adam from what I remember the "pod" in "podcasting" refers to the iPod. Prior to that taking over as the generic term, I remember people talking about "audio-blogging".
Show thread[email protected] is my main [psc]Jul 16, 2018
@strypey @adam @artsyhonker @switch @wakest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast

> The word was originally suggested by Ben Hammersley as a portmanteau of "iPod" (a brand of media player) and "broadcast".

Links to https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/feb/12/broadcasting.digitalmedia

> But what to call it? Audioblogging? Podcasting? GuerillaMedia?

So, apparently a journalist from The Guardian coined and/or popularized it.

I don't like the term either and prefer to simply call them audio feeds.
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Show threadStrypeyJul 16, 2018
@notclacke @adam @artsyhonker @switch @wakest I would object more if they were called "iPodcasts", and if most people hadn't already forgotten the origin of the term ;) "Audio feeds" is fine amongst us geeks (who know what a "feed" is in a digital context) but I can't see it overtaking "podcasting" on the inside at this point in the race.
Show thread[email protected] is my main [psc]Jul 17, 2018
@strypey @wakest @switch @artsyhonker @adam Yeah, nah. And "web radio" seems to apply only to things that actually air and then is also put on the web. So it's hard to find a good term that people might actually accept.

What annoys me ten times more than "podcast" for an audio feed/log/whatever, is "podcast" for a podcast episode! People do this for "blog" as well. "Look at this blog we wrote last Wednesday.", "Listen to this podcast, it's an interview with XYZ.".
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Show threadSwitchJul 17, 2018
@notclacke I'm on the same page about episodes/podcast. But just to play the devil's advocate, is the expression "we just did a broadcast" used in a radio setting or not really?
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Show threadSwitchJul 17, 2018
@notclacke There's also something that bothers me, the websites that name their audio releases a podcast when there IS NO EFFING FEED AVAILABLE. If there isn't a feed for me to catch the thing with a client, IT IS NOT A PODCAST. @strypey @wakest @artsyhonker @adam
Show thread[email protected] is my main [psc]Jul 17, 2018
@switch @adam @artsyhonker @wakest @strypey Oh yeah, this is just cringe. A podcast is an audio feed by another name. Just some website with pages with audio player widgets is not.
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Show threadStrypeyJul 18, 2018
@notclacke @switch @adam @artsyhonker @wakest noobs don't know about "RSS" and "feeds" and language drift happens. "podcast" now just means 'any kind of audio show you can listen to online'.
Show threadSwitchJul 18, 2018
@strypey noobs don't know jack shit about anything. Are we going to throw away the dictionary for this reason? ;) :p @notclacke @adam @artsyhonker @wakest
Show threadStrypeyJul 18, 2018
@switch @notclacke @adam @artsyhonker @wakest dictionaries don't dictate what words mean, they just document common usage. Much as it might pain us,"google" is now listed as an English verb in the #Oxford dictionary. That's why etymonline.com is a thing, and why it's entries are so intriguing
Show threadSwitchJul 18, 2018
@strypey that sounds right. It mustn't stop us from using words in the way they were intended to, though, don't you think? @notclacke @adam @artsyhonker @wakest
Show threadStrypeyJul 18, 2018
@switch @notclacke @adam @artsyhonker @wakest when was the last time you heard someone say they were "feeling gay" to tell you how happy they were, or use gay as a noun to describe someone as an "excellent person, noble lady, gallant knight"?
https://www.etymonline.com/word/gay
Show threadartsyhonker aka KathrynJul 18, 2018
@switch @notclacke @adam @wakest @strypey Hey, I tend toward descriptivism myself, but can you un-@ me please? thanks.
Show threadStrypeyJul 18, 2018
@artsyhonker of course, sorry for the flooding
Show threadStrypeyJul 18, 2018
@artsyhonker for future reference, Mastodon gives you the ability to 'mute conversation', which effectively allows you to untag yourself from a thread you're no longer interested in.
Show threadSwitchJul 18, 2018
@strypey Ha, you got me there. But I'll keep using podcast in the way I prefer anyway. :p @notclacke @adam @wakest
Show threadStrypeyJul 18, 2018
@switch @notclacke @adam @wakest fair enough :) Sometimes words fork and exactly the same word, with exactly the same spelling, can come to have two very different but equally legitimate meanings. eg "Library" can mean a building full of books, or a package of code.
Show thread0x1C3B00DA  Jul 12, 2018
@strypey One of the biggest problems the fediverse has is discoverability. And podcasts have always been federated. Creators host their own podcasts on their site. The centralization came later to solve the discoverability problem.
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Show threadalcinnzAug 2, 2018

@strypey I can understand Apple feeling they need to play a central role in podcasts as it's named after their iPods. But their main benefit is discovery, anyone with a plain old webserver can host them.

And over half the podcasts I listen to are independently hosted.

Yet still there's other sites providing discovery. Have you heard of Miro's guide?

Show threadStrypeyAug 2, 2018
@alcinnz Miro, you mean the long-abandoned Firefox fork formerly known as Democracy Player, the one that never got out of beta?
Show threadCrazyMyraJul 12, 2018
@strypey Agree with everything you say, including YT vs cartoons, but in order to get away from the corporate profit syndrome that drives most of what's bad on social media, the fediverse needs to rethink the "just create your own instance" model. Most people don't have the knowledge/resources/time to do that. They are willing to pay - via Patreon, for example - to support those who do, but we run the risk of missing the opportunity to make meaningful change.