Something I wrote in the W3C Authentic Web Mini Workshop’s Zoom chat:


Another implicit assumption (flaw) that is often a part of "purely technical solutions" is the neglect or ignorance (innocent naïveté) of existing technical solutions.

A technical proposal should not be praised for what it claims to solve.

A technical proposal must be evaluated by what marginal difference or advantage does it provide over existing technologies.

Any technical proposal that ignores prior technologies is itself doomed to be ignored by the next technical proposal.


In addition to the slide presentations (links to come) in the mini workshop and Zoom verbal discussion which was minuted (link to come), there was a lot of very interesting discussion in the Zoom chat, which was not minuted. Sometimes such quick back & forth can help inspire summarizing of points which one had not previously written down.

I was encouraged by a fellow workshop participant to blog this one so here it is!

#W3C #credweb #credibleWeb #authenticWeb #technology #technical #proposal #technicalProposal #history
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I just participated in the first W3C Authentic Web Mini Workshop^1 hosted by the Credible Web Community Group^2 (of which I’m a longtime member) and up front I noted that our very discussion itself needed to be careful about its own credibility, extra critical of any technologies discussed or assertions made, and initially identified two flaws to avoid on a meta level, having seen them occur many times in technical or standards discussions:

1. Politician’s Syllogism — "Something must be done about this problem. Here is something, let's do it!"

2. Solutions Looking For Problems — "I am interested in how tech X can solve problem Y"

After some back and forth and arguments in the Zoom chat, I observed participants questioning speakers of arguments rather than the arguments themselves, so I had to identify a third fallacy to avoid:

3. Ad Hominem — while obvious examples are name-calling (which is usually against codes of conduct), less obvious examples (witnessed in the meeting) include questioning a speaker’s education (or lack thereof) like what they have or have not read, or would benefit from reading.

I am blogging these here both as a reminder (should you choose to participate in such discussions), and as a resource to cite in future discussions.

We need to all develop expertise in recognizing these logical and methodological flaws & fallacies, and call them out when we see them, especially when used against others.

We need to promptly prune these flawed methods of discussion, so we can focus on actual productive, relevant, and yes, credible discussions.

#W3C #credweb #credibleWeb #authenticWeb #flaw #fallacy #fallacies #logicalFallacy #logicalFallacies


Glossary

Ad Hominem
  attacking an attribute of the person making an argument rather than the argument itself
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Politician's syllogism
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician%27s_syllogism

Solutions Looking For Problems (related: #solutionism, #solutioneering)
  Promoting a technology that either has not identified a real problem for it to solve, or actively pitching a specific technology to any problem that seems related. Wikipedia has no page on this but has two related pages:
  * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_instrument
  * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_fix
  Wikipedia does have an essay on this specific to Wikipedia:
  * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Solutions_looking_for_a_problem
  Stack Exchange has a thread on "solution in search of a problem":
  * https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/250320/a-word-that-means-a-solution-in-search-of-a-problem
  Forbes has an illustrative anecdote:  
  * https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephanieburns/2019/05/28/solution-looking-for-a-problem/


References

^1 https://www.w3.org/events/workshops/2025/authentic-web-workshop/
^2 https://credweb.org/ and https://www.w3.org/community/credibility/


Previously in 2019 I participated @misinfocon.com #MisinfoCon:
* https://tantek.com/2019/296/t1/london-misinfocon-discuss-spectrum-recency
* https://tantek.com/2019/296/t2/misinfocon-roundtable-spectrums-misinformation
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Remix tools central to #credweb. Art onboards as many, if not more people on, to the web than code. Being able to interrogate a text by making derivative texts essential to challenging truths (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1F0sjJ)
Remix tools central to #credweb. Art onboards ...

Remix tools central to #credweb. Art onboards as many, if not more people on, to the web than code. Being able to interrogate a text

This is why I think teaching social search skills are essential to the #credweb. If I am investigating a topic I don't go to search engines, I ask in networks of experts, listserv, twitter, irc, etc.

http://jgregorymcverry.com/6680-2/

INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION

INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION

My theory is that the #checkoutmydomain will have a halo effect on the local web writ large with family members setting up subdomains. Businesses publishing on their own sites more. #indieweb #analytics #credweb Need to measure this

http://jgregorymcverry.com/6607-2/

INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION

INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION

I am working on my application for a grant to fund #CheckOutMyDomain https://checkoutmydomain.glitch.com I want to measure network effects across community without personal data. Is this possible? #analytics #literacies #indieweb #credweb

http://jgregorymcverry.com/6602-2/

@amyhoy What research? It's my area as well. Especially on the #credweb.

Can't know how truth is shaped online until you shaper your own.

Working on next project called #CheckOutMyDomain where library patrons can checkout a domain and get a few gigs storage each year.

http://jgregorymcverry.com/checkoutmydomain-lets-put-libraries-at-center-of-local-web/

Going to apply for a Spencer Small Research Grant for that.

An example of reputation ranking, not saying anything about the methodology. Just pointing to #CredWeb example since we have discussed reputation a bit: https://teach.com/what/teachers-know/teach100/about/

http://jgregorymcverry.com/6221-2/

About Teach100

Learn about the methodology and reasoning behind the Teach100 blog ranking tool.

Computers & Education gets the highest ranking from Google's new 2018 algorithm for Scholar Metrics #credweb Thinking about this in terms of other talk around reputation. 

https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=top_venues&hl=en&vq=soc

http://jgregorymcverry.com/6098-2/

Social Sciences - Google Scholar Metrics

@Tonycoyle

This is is a Masters class for teachers it is really about teaching sourcing skills to kids.

I don't think the #credweb can be solved by machines alone. Humans need training too.

These codes will be tags when used in hypothes.is Using "codebook" in the qualitative research connotation.