@BenjaminHCCarr Good news! It’s good to hear that the oppressive technofeudal gate keeper (#StackExchange/ #StackOverflow) might stop jailing knowledge in #Cloudflare’s #walledGarden.

Note that they have taken a jab at #AnonymousOverflow in the past week:

https://github.com/httpjamesm/AnonymousOverflow/issues/175

@GregorTacTac
Since #stackoverflow is Cloudflared and I am excluded from #Cloudflare pages, I had to go some hoops to reach the comment you linked. I ended up reaching it through this link (because for some strange reason #anonymousOverflow could not handle that link):

http://web.archive.org/web/20210428075843/https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/177291/why-cloudflare-is-a-mitm-attack/177298#177298

The articles I linked cover dozens of issues. Lie Ryan just address one of the issues. I’m not sure what of Lie Ryan’s chatter you’re interested in. Him and other CF proponents argue that CF’s customers (web admins) are not MitM’d because they agree to it. It’s a stretch to say the web admins give their /informed/ consent because most of them have no idea what the consequences are. Some do not even know that CF sees the traffic. More importantly, the end users (who are not CF customers) are MitM’d because they have no idea. There’s no transparency because web admins do not inform their users (often because they’re not well informed themselves).

It’s unclear what to unpack because his comment was long. He tells people CF does not see sensitive info because admins can setup a direct path for that. How does the user know when the admins did that? If you look at the login page code for lemmy.world, it’s not humanly readable and in fact the URLs are obfuscated. I could not work out from that rat’s nest of code which host the login creds go to.

Lie Ryan tries to imply that you can trust Cloudflare. But if you read the page I linked, clearly you can’t. The CEO himself admitted that you should not trust Cloudflare with real identity information when he was confronted for doxxing the identity of a whistle blower.

His claim about ISPs MitMing web traffic seems a bit nutty. It could have happened ~20 years ago when TLS was less common. But plaintext web traffic is quite rare these days.

@dw_innovation
It’s great to have another badly needed search alternative like #Stract. One unique feature is ability to thumbs up/down results. But what does a thumbs down actually do?

I give a thumbs down to #stackexchange hits because they are in the #Cloudflare walled garden. They get removed from my result list, but what else? I was hoping it would send a signal to Stract.

StackExchange links should be replaced with #AnonymousOverflow links.

@404mediaco

@strypey @zeh @alcinnz

Indeed mojeek.com is not the only non-tech-giant #searchEngine (+crawler). From strypey’s mentions + some of my notes:

* #Mojeek ← does their own crawling
* #Metager.org ← does their own crawling
* #SearchMySite.net ← avoid (Cloudflare)
* #Searx ← just proxy software, many instances
* #4get ← another proxy software, about a dozen instances: https://4get.ca/instances
* #Gigablast ← does their own crawling, but what happened?.. they were dissolved last year & seem to now be www.alltheinternet.com
* #Ombrelo ← a proxy but more advanced than the others (filters/downranks Cloudflare sites)

#YaCy is notable because it’s a crawler that you can install and operate yourself. YaCy instances can be public-facing and they can also share indexes with each other fedi style apparently. Some Searx instances tap YaCy instances.

I would love to find a searx or 4get instance that rejects the tech giants, but aggregates from YaCy, mojeek, gigablast, metager, maginalia.nu, frogfind.com, & wiby.me.

And I would love it even more if it would make replacements:

* #StackExchange → #AnonymousOverflow
* #YouTube → #Invideous
* #Medium.com → scribe.rip
* #BBC → BBC’s onion site
* #NYTimes → New York Times’s onion site
* etc.

search.fabiomanganiello.com makes some of those replacements.