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shared public horse .not bitey Jan 25, 2025

I really suspect the factoid is indelible in public data and imagination now. It's on a map, innit! Like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agloe,_New_York or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argleton

Nice story though, and at least @selzero 's retelling doesn't suggest weird replacement theories or anything! People, just migrating, intermarrying, trying to speak each other's language and avoid fights is probably how the one or two (or three, max!) vaguely related place terms in the village name came about.

But they're not even redundant terms. They mean different things, and each bit adds to the meaning of the elements around it. Even the lately- and hypothetically added "hill" adds a layer of meaning. So alas the redundant naming fun doesn't work out.

Sorry for the cold water 🧊

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shared public horse .not bitey Jan 25, 2025

Some sources say the supposed hill or landform doesn't even exist. Today's Internet makes it hard to check too!

The etymology factoid version seems to have entered public knowledge, and suddenly you have crap data like https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8384467985 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7826754 that are all labelled and annotated up with "hill hill hill hill hill" nonsense.

Any @openstreetmap types want to go out and check the ground truth? Maybe source it better from OOC maps? Is there a sign up there with the name on? (lol.)

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shared public horse .not bitey Jan 25, 2025

#TorpenhowHill is doing the rounds again.

https://syzito.xyz/@selzero/113885308920691957

Sorry, it doesn't mean "hill hill hill hill"; it just didn't etymology like that.

https://digitalcommons.butler.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4733&context=wordways

- sure, there's a real village

- hill? Not sure. Read on.

- it's either tor+pennau or (tor+penn)+how

- "tor" is most likely from Old Welsh, and is a rock outcrop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(rock_formation)

- "pen" goes all the way back to Proto-Brythonic *penn, and means "head". Could be through OW too!

- "pennau" is just the Welsh and O.W. pural of "pen": "heads".

- "how" is tricky, but you don't *need* O.N. "haugr" (midden/heap or cairn/sacrificial mound) for it. O.E. "hoh" (heel, or promontory/cliff) works too. It could be the Middle English "howe" and its modern English "how" descendent, which combines both apparently!

- nobody's certain about the place name, and it's pronounced funny by the locals anyway

- some guy just added "hill", and it stuck

More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Torpenhow_Hill

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Attached: 1 image Torpenhow Hill. When the Saxons arrived and asked the Welsh the name of that hill, the Welsh said "pen" which means "hill" in Welsh. So the Saxons used their word for hill, "tor," and called it Torpen (hill hill). Then the Norse arrived and the same process added the their world for hill "Haugr". So now it was Torpen Haugr (Hill Hill Hill). Later, the English called it Torpenhow Hill (Hill Hill Hill Hill)

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Seamus Quigley Nov 1, 2023

Let's talk intramunicipal buses.

I watched the Tom Scott video about #TorpenhowHill this morning. As a former resident of #Cumbria I found myself idly wondering how far away it was from my old home, #Kendal. To Google maps I go!

Not too close, it turns out. Not too far as the crow flies, but routes across #TheLakeDistrict are brutal.

What's the best route? How long would it take? How far is that compared to where I live in #Newfoundland?

#urbanism #transit #StJohns #YYT