Here is the aforementioned interview with Hirschfield, at the Poetry Space podcast, episode 118:

https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-poetry-space/ep-118-jane-hirshfields-assays-ntdNO3_4Fib/

Episode 119 is part 2. (I haven't quite finished that yet.)

Hirschfield is a talker! But I found this really enlightening. You don't often get two hours of a top-notch poet talking about one particular form. But, perhaps like a good assay, the conversation expands from that specific topic to quite a bit of other terrain around making (and reading) poetry.

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