@serapath @strypey well #Holochain has had far-right personalities leading its communities, and #Keet actively includes them, so there's that. Holochain has repeatedly championed White Nationalist hate actors and marketed itself to the far-right through its founding members and ecosystem growth manager.
IMO (as someone who collaborated with them for a long time and knows the architecture deeply) the DHT scenario and Holochain's forkable network architecture makes this a much more dangerous combination. No trust or consent is needed to replicate peer data to new group members, and data and code can be forked off to new groups any time. At least in Keet replication is up to the individual and not the volk.
To anybody in the DAT ecosystem interested in confronting these cultural problems, please feel free to reach out. Though my capacity is low, I have extensive experience understanding these toxic ideologies and their effects on marginalised communities after being a long-term contributor to #Holochain (effectively a #FarRight psyop designed to recruit progressive talent toward building software for hate actors and White Nationalist networks).
That's all for now. I may reflect more when I return from an impending whitewater rafting holiday.
@iwein oh thanks, I appreciate that!
There is not much help to be had anymore, really- this is a reflective piece on traumatic experiences / revelations from years ago. Nobody in the movement wants to acknowledge its faults or the damage done- I've given up on that. But I do have a lot of research on accelerationist philosophies and #Holochain's origins as a far-right psyop designed to recruit progressive talent for the creation of 'uncancelable' hate networks... so, um, if you feel inclined to specify a more specific interest I might be able to find some interesting links.
In the meantime, I think this is incredibly worthwhile historical background for understanding #RedBrownAlliances - which, I will assert, #DWeb is.
https://breakingpatterns.noblogs.org/projects/on-red-brown-alliances/
The first poem I wrote as an adult is about hate actors within the #DWeb movement and abuse in #Permaculture ecovillages.
If you are curious about #GangStalking and #Holochain's #FarRight #accelerationist history, I am sure you may find the linked documents and presentations interesting.
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#Keet & #Holepunch @holepunch_to teams- following up from yesterday:
Pragmatically, I'll still use your software (though it makes trusting proprietary modules feel even more sketchy tbh). Yours is probably the one #TechnoFascist project I'm aware of that actually has good code & UX. And it's self sovereign, so.
If your response goes further into a downward spiral of innocense & virtue instead of some amends, accountability and recovery, I'll just do what we're doing for #Holochain. Authoring politically assertive #governance processes around my collective's & partnership's use of their software, explicitly calling out the harm and creating guardrails to prevent any upstream contributions (intellectual, social or otherwise). And then we'll open source those docs, surface them everywhere, and make them easily adoptable & forkable.
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