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Andrew,

Thanks for sending the link: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.neuropsychologia.2025.109233

It includes the best description I've found of how I saw the world for most of my life. "Attention Points" where I fixated on a nearby important object and its immediate surroundings, tilting the flat photo-like image as I moved around it. Indoors the scene was roughly limited by arm's reach - stove, sink, cutting board, refrigerator. There was an overview of the nearby points, but it was not a map I could walk around in. It was an imaginary view from above and in front of the main door to the house, that included multiple indoor fixation points.

In my childhood house that view was looking eastward. When I learned about north as the basis for geographic maps, I created a larger overview that placed nearby houses in a north facing view. Thinking about world directions (sunrise...) from inside a house required navigating through both overviews.

Age six I had a tonsillectomy, which I believe damaged my right spinal accessory nerve. Unheard of now, but a known problem for a tubercular kid with rotten teeth in the previous century. When I woke up, the left side of my throat hurt seriously, but the right side was just gone, no sensation at all!

Soon I was forced to wear "Plus Lens Theory" bifocal glasses that were supposed to cure myopia. Suddenly there were three different sizes of fixation view, and three different ratios of perceived head rotation to apparent surrounding object movement.

I created a system where parts of the world hidden from an eye by my nose existed in a separate world from my central vision. Toward my left, the upper and lower views (main lens and bifocal add) synchronized at the nose boundary. Toward my damaged right, the lower tip of my nose and the mid arch of the skull bone behind the nose were perceived separately, and the world seemed to move differently above and below that divide. The parts of the world outside those nose boundaries existed only in a "backpack full of rocks" that I carried around with me, and had no visual or kinesthetic relationship to the real world.

Each new combination of lenses and bifocal adds created another set of parameters for this complex system, and all of them seem to have been etched into my brain. Many years later I retired to my country home and just stopped wearing lenses. I very slowly overwrote the complexity with a single view through my unaided eyes. But I still processed it through the expectations of multiple conflicting image sizes and motions for each fixation point.

Recently I've broken out of those expectations. All my life I fixated on near objects, relegating the background to a flat diorama even when moving around outdoors. Now (when I'm not stuck staring at a screen) I'm intentionally attending to the most distant objects, and how nearer objects occlude them as I move.

At first it only happened looking at a forest a hundred feet away, I could sense tiny branches (that my ventral stream couldn't begin to resolve) moving in front of each other as I walked past. Gradually I've learned to see this way even indoors. When it is happening there is no fixation point. Every object in the visible world is floating independently and synchronously around my relatively immobile body.

I believe this is my dorsal stream in control. If I stop moving the vivid 3D view collapses back into a flat picture and my attention gets sucked toward a habitual fixation point. Does this make any neurological sense?

Does anyone who has worn "corrective" lenses for much of their life see this way?

#DorsalStream #allocentric #SpatialVision #OpticFlow #VisualNavigation

#Introduction

The kids I grew up with knew I was "different", but my parents and school insisted I was normal. Now I've explored #Autism #Prosopagnosia #Alexithymia and #Aphantasia and have an idea what was going on, but then I thought everyone saw the world like I did, just coped better. I coped by becoming a #PluralSystem by age three when I realized my girl self would have to be hidden. After six "guy" IDs, I'm now back being that girl. Still running the system, but with more E and less T...

Age nine I was forced to wear #Bifocal #PlusLensTheory glasses every waking moment. Shattered my body sense and #CognitiveMap - https://www.psychoros.com/consumed-by-the-light/ Spent endless days of lonely boredom exploring the ~30° wedges of #SpatialViewCells and the flat dioramas between them. Now I'm rebuilding a 3D world around my body, where #HeadDirectionCells can have a single basis and #DorsalStream depth can pop out of the flat distance like content from a random dot stereogram.

Despite all that, I've been online since #ARPAnet and #DJNR, wrote the first magazine article with simultaneous code distribution (via 8" floppies in the post), coded fab robots to move 6" & 8" Silicon wafers, built my (almost) independent #SolarPV and #SolarThermal house (7K lines of C++ from 1998, 42 device outs), and evolved an audio system with bandwidth from DC to a half MHz. Helped raise four unique kids, as adult minds in young bodies. Still mystify most of the adults I encounter...

Consumed by the Light - Psychoros

The dancing ground of the soul

Age nine I was forced to wear #Bifocal #PlusLensTheory glasses every waking moment. Shattered my body sense and #CognitiveMap - https://www.psychoros.com/consumed-by-the-light/ Spent endless days of lonely boredom exploring the ~30° wedges of #SpatialViewCells and the flat dioramas between them. Now I'm rebuilding a 3D world around my body, where #HeadDirectionCells can have a single basis and #DorsalStream depth can pop out of the flat distance like content from a random dot stereogram.
Consumed by the Light - Psychoros

The dancing ground of the soul

Anyone familiar with the idea that the #DorsalStream is #DirectPerception and the #VentralStream is #Constructivist ? Just came across a paper on it from 2002, and want to make sure it's not considered totally debunked before I read it. This is an area I've been trying to better understand lately

#PhilofMind #psychology #neuroscience #Gibson #EcologicalPsychology #constructivism #affordances

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12625088/

Two visual systems and two theories of perception: An attempt to reconcile the constructivist and ecological approaches - PubMed

The two contrasting theoretical approaches to visual perception, the constructivist and the ecological, are briefly presented and illustrated through their analyses of space and size perception. Earlier calls for their reconciliation and unification are reviewed. Neurophysiological, neuropsychologic …

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