Anyone familiar with the idea that the #DorsalStream is #DirectPerception and the #VentralStream is #Constructivist ? Just came across a paper on it from 2002, and want to make sure it's not considered totally debunked before I read it. This is an area I've been trying to better understand lately

#PhilofMind #psychology #neuroscience #Gibson #EcologicalPsychology #constructivism #affordances

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12625088/

Two visual systems and two theories of perception: An attempt to reconcile the constructivist and ecological approaches - PubMed

The two contrasting theoretical approaches to visual perception, the constructivist and the ecological, are briefly presented and illustrated through their analyses of space and size perception. Earlier calls for their reconciliation and unification are reviewed. Neurophysiological, neuropsychologic …

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Suppose I should have tagged @cognition @cogsci in this question about direct perception and constructivism. #CogPsy #cognition
@jtpeterson how familiar are you with the 2 stream concept? there‘s loads of discussion about it, so hard to say what has been „debunked“... Are you asking about the general idea of 2 paths or the specific framing of direct perc vs. constructivism? I‘ve not come across the latter before - who‘s the author(s)?
@HeedLab I had heard of two streams but had forgotten about it till you mentioned it (Neuro is outside my field of expertise). But yes, I am specifically asking about the direct perc vs constructivism framing. The author is Joel Norman who appears to be at the University of Haifa.
@jtpeterson ok - am not familiar with that particular framing.. would be interested to hear your thoughts after reading.
@jtpeterson Nice little review from a few years ago, perhaps a bit more up to date. Not either/or is the take home I think. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2014.00084/full
Feature integration and object representations along the dorsal stream visual hierarchy

The visual system is split into two processing streams: a ventral stream that receives color and form information and a dorsal stream that receives motion information. Each stream processes that information hierarchically, with each stage building upon the previous. In the ventral stream this leads to the formation of object representations that ultimately allow for object recognition regardless of changes in the surrounding environment. In the dorsal stream, this hierarchical processing has classically been thought to lead to the computation of complex motion in three dimensions. However, there is evidence to suggest that there is integration of both dorsal and ventral stream information into motion computation processes, giving rise to intermediate object representations, which facilitate object selection and decision making mechanisms in the dorsal stream. First we review the hierarchical processing of motion along the dorsal stream and the building up of object representations along the ventral stream. Then we discuss recent work on the integration of ventral and dorsal stream features that lead to intermediate object representations in the dorsal stream. Finally we propose a framework describing how and at what stage different features are integrated into dorsal visual stream object representations. Determining the integration of features along the dorsal stream is necessary to understand not only how the dorsal stream builds up an object representation but also which...

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