@jerry One thing that never ceases to amaze me is how hard it is to actually configure most platforms to be secure. I can't think of any other product where it is unsafe by default and you have to spend hours/days/weeks looking at every little aspect of it in order to make it safe for people to use. I was hoping that would change with the cloud but some of the biggest players are still making things insecure by default. To me it's very understandable why systems are stood up in insecure configurations and left that way because the average operations person's primary concern is to get it working and you need comical amounts of expertise to tell if things are actually using secure configurations. Most software vendors are failing us in this regard.