Rob MacLachlanJun 9, 2017
Munin, Keeper of Lore

So, possible 'hot take' here -

-NOBODY- looks good in the 'Reality Winner' case.

The Intercept was extremely careless with how they handled the material they were given.

Reality herself is apparently so utterly inept it's astonishing that she was able to get the document in the first place.

And the counterintel that managed to finally catch her? THEY are also inept; she -sucks- and she -still- managed to get the document out.

Jun 9, 2017 at 7:34amWeb
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreJun 9, 2017

Seriously. She googled all kinds of red-flag type stuff. She used her own creds to access documents she had no business touching. She went looking at suspicious locations on her work computer.

And nobody apparently bothered monitoring any of this until they got contact from the outside about a document that was running around loose?

That is some -terrible- security when the stereotypical dumb blonde manages to outwit you long enough to succeed.

Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreJun 9, 2017
So yeah. Everyone in this case is just....stupid. Top to bottom.
Show threadAlexander BochmannJun 9, 2017
@munin ...and it's one of the organisations trusted with access to the biggest collections of intelligence secrets and personal data ever.
Show threadrabbitJun 9, 2017
@munin You'd think they'd be in high paranoia mode still. The whole thing is weird.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreJun 9, 2017
@rabbit Indeed.
Show threadMaiyannah BishopJun 9, 2017
@munin It's too convenient not to be a propaganda op.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreJun 9, 2017
@maiyannah I thought about that but...counterintel looks -too bad- for that to really hold up I think.
Show threadMaiyannah BishopJun 9, 2017
@munin That's exactly what they want you to think.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreJun 9, 2017

@maiyannah That counterintel at BAH is so bad that any idiot can get away with whatever?

Not sure that's a message that they really want to promote...

Show threadMaiyannah BishopJun 9, 2017
@munin Why not?  If it's a genuine propoganda op you encourage the enemy agents to take more risks that get them caught.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreJun 9, 2017

@maiyannah Because it impacts the effectiveness of the CI at the contractor orgs.

If it was purely within an agency, sure, you could try for one of those - but when you have a mess of contractors involved, and you depend on them for 'mission readiness', things get more complicated.

Once you start doing that kind of thing, you start seeing other contractors filing [just!] grievances as to why they weren't picked, etc.

Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreJun 9, 2017
@maiyannah Additionally, in a situation -this- bad, you'll probably end up with more business than you can handle - spies everywhere.
Show threadm0n5t3rJun 9, 2017
@munin dat name, tho: "Reality herself is apparently so utterly inept"
Show threaddeactivatedJun 9, 2017
@munin to me the big lesson from this is NEVER leak to The Intercept!
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreJun 9, 2017
@dixongexpat There is literally nothing the Intercept -could- have done to save Reality here. Her incompetence was -that bad-
Show threaddeactivatedJun 9, 2017
@munin That is an excellent point. She seemed to be in self-destruct mode from the beginning. Assuming this isn't all a false-flag or NSA probe undercover op. LOL
Show thread⚗️⚗️⚗️ pnathan ⚗️⚗️⚗️Jun 9, 2017
@munin a tragedy of errors