Honsou
I think people are desperately trying to find easy boogeymen for this election that are easily hateable and at the same time allow themselves not to change the way they think at the same time. A horde of former PUA's who secretly want to take over America fit that bill
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Nov 26, 2016 at 1:45amWeb
Show thread⛲Nov 26, 2016
@honsou can't it be both
Show threadHonsouNov 26, 2016
@tesseraconteur The only issue is that the people they are describing: White middle class male, raised by feminist mother single mother and went to good schools, are like 10 people
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@honsou true. people keep wanting to paint a picture in their head of what "They" look like & it leads to misinformed thinking. but some of the details they describe resonate with my own observations

we have generations of people who were told that what they said was bad but not why, & in leaving them uninformed we left them to grow lonely & resentful

Show threadesselfortiumNov 26, 2016

@tesseraconteur @honsou that second 'paragraph' is spot on, i think! on a large scale, we have to get much better at talking with people in ways that help them understand rather than ways that tell them we want nothing to do with them, which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as they end up being welcomed in and radicalized by people spreading ideas antithetical to our existence

(is it really a paragraph if it's just a sentence? whatever)

Show threadesselfortiumNov 26, 2016
@honsou @tesseraconteur well, i wouldn't expect every detail to apply to everyone, but i get your point. either way, the conclusion is the same, i think: we can't effectively change what the other side is doing, so we just need to do better ourselves to reach people in the middle before they're courted by our enemies
Show threadesselfortiumNov 26, 2016
@tesseraconteur @honsou i agree: while that group by itself isn't enough to win a national election with, they're one of many factors affecting things. even just influencing and poisoning discourse on the left can affect things. (not that the left seems to have much trouble poisoning its own discourse, ofc...)
Show threadesselfortiumNov 26, 2016
@tesseraconteur @honsou there's probably not much the left can do specifically about these people, other than just focusing on solving our side's internal problems that need to be solved anyway, and being more willing to engage in discussion with people who don't agree with us. (mind you, that doesn't mean wasting our time on trolls arguing in bad faith, but being less eager to jump on people who probably have their heart in the right place but say something we don't like)
Show threadPoster's Rights!!!!Nov 26, 2016
@honsou the subtext of these posts is pretty vile, that feminism turns men into MRA PUAs