Frankie SaxxIt's now 'Anglo linguistic privilege & cultural dominance threatened! Attack the French!' O'clock.
Just waiting for 'This is the internet, we speak ENGLISH here, comprende?'
#mastodrama alert; popcorn at the ready
Matt Cropp (now @ social.coop)@frankiesaxx In order to get the complete #American #francophobe package, you need to include: a #SurrenderMonkey dig, a #Frog slur, and chest-thumping reference to #FreedomFries. :sweat_smile:
Frying Dutchman@frankiesaxx Well it's kind of frustrating to not be able to understand half of the federated timeline, and almost everyone understands English. I'm not saying everyone should speak English, but it sure makes it easier to understand and connect with everyone
. @Vonk
Many people on the internet speak English, but English speakers asserting cultural dominance and the right to push to the outside & marginalize non-English speakers is not okay.
People should be allowed to speak their own languages. Period. Without being complained about, shamed, or otherwise made to feel bad or as though they don't belong.
The public timelines are a shared space, that means sharing it with people who speak other languages.
. @Vonk and now you can pelt me with herring for all the SJW language in that post LOL
(But I do think linguistic diversity enhances the community, rather than detracts.)
@frankiesaxx @Vonk my guess is that someone will create a language filter that could be turned on because, at a certain scale, with the diversity of languages, the timeline will turn into more noise than signal for the vast majority of people. #mastodon #TowerOfBabel
I've seen some talk about that. Also an embedded translate option like the bird site has. And if it's well implemented, it solves a problem.
On an instance level, I guess the people who are unhappy sharing space with foreigners can set up their own and ban people who don't use English.
@frankiesaxx @Vonk Thus is a transitional zone right now, where instances membership is defined by capacity rather than shared affinity. My guess is that'll start changing in the next few weeks, especially as people hash out different governance schemes. My axe is with the emerging (first) #platformcoop server... :)
. @mattcropp @Vonk Yeah, I've already seen a few people jumping ship for different instances as they realize there are going to be different kinds of communities on different instances.
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Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKThis "everyone understands English" is a comparatively new mindset (perhaps introduced by the Internet and USA culture?)
When I attended high school (1983-1990) in UK students were expected to at least learn French, albeit a very basic and formal type.
I can read most of the toots but a bit shy to reply in French [j'ai peur d'écrire en "le Français de Tony Blair" ] 😀
This requirement was stopped in UK schools in mid 2000s (which I think is a great mistake).
@vfrmedia @frankiesaxx
Yeah in the Netherlands most high school students have to learn French (it's required for everyone at at least the two highest tiers of education).I dropped it though, so my last French class was three years ago, so what's left of my French isn't great :p
Yeah in the Netherlands most high school students have to learn French (it's required for everyone at at least the two highest tiers of education).I dropped it though, so my last French class was three years ago, so what's left of my French isn't great :p
@Vonk @frankiesaxx it appears though everyone in FR, NL and DE *has* to learn English all through high school (+tries to learn it independently) whereas in UK learning languages is now much less common amongst younger people.
was disappointed I couldn't study computer science *and* German in school after 1987 (resource limitations), only when the Internet became available was I able to rediscover learning other languages online. Linguistic diversity here is a very good thing IMO 😎
Angostura@frankiesaxx Not a bad thing to be able to have a preference to filter by language though, right?
@Angostura no, I have no issues with an individual filtering solution, that lets people connect better / filter out what they aren't interested in or can't understand.
My issue is with, in the absence of that solution, hostility toward the users of a different language.
@frankiesaxx agreed, that's very sad