Sonya Mann ✅The most unfortunate feature of Mastodon is that you can't see many posts outside of the instance that you're on. Not such a big deal if you're on mastodon.social with most of the other people, but it's brutal if you're elsewhere. Possibly a value-killer. GnuSocial seems to handle this better? I'm not certain about the parameters of the behavior in either case. @Gargron
The concept of the Fediverse is awesome, but Mastodon doesn't seem to really work with it. Like someone else on a GnuSocial instance (lolsob) said, based on the current implementation there will be the Mastoverse and the Fediverse with wonky, limited integration.
It's still cool! I'm still here for it! And hopefully these issues can be worked out. #notahater
Rysiekúr (old account)@sonya they have to be worked out, otherwise we will end up in a segmented Fediverse, which will not make any sense due to the #NetworkEffect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect
@rysiek yup, this basically has no future otherwise
@sonya and if you want to cry a bit, ready this thread on the #FedSocWeb #W3C mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fedsocweb/2013May/0058.html
Federation has been technically possible for years, but many devs had "precious snowflake" mentality regarding "their" protocols. That's what gives me hope with #Mastodon - it's not reinventing the wheel, works with #GNUSocial. #KeepCalmAndFederate
🏴☠️🏴☠️KODO🏴☠️🏴☠️@sonya That's why I wish mastodon was just a gnu social web client rather than a whole server implementation. I'm only here for the new user experience. I've been on 'federated social' for years and years now
@kodo even if Mastodon itself crashes and burns I think I'm going to try to integrate federated social into my regular media routines, I like the chatroom vibe
then again I already have a group of Slack friends that I'm neglecting
@kodo in your experience how does Mastodon differ from the rest of federated social?
@sonya the UX of the website is the only thing that is keeping me here.
@kodo I actually kiiiiiinda prefer GnuSocial in some ways... really the best pure UX is Twitter itself, although it has other problems
@sonya I tried to. The problem is the user experience sucks on most implementations I've seen. If you want "chat room" check out http://riot.im its an actual federated chat room network
Eugen Rochko@sonya Let me assure you that it is no different on GNU social. It's just that most older nodes have high populations that follow lots of other people from other nodes.
In fact, Mastodon does MORE than GNU social, because Mastodon recursively resolves threads it comes across [upwards].
Les Orchard@sonya I think some more interest-centric community instances might find that a feature
@lmorchard it'd be cool if it was a setting you could toggle, either by user or by community!
@sonya @Gargron having been a #StatusNet / #GNUSocial (and also #Diaspora and #Friendica) user for quite some time, my experience is that it gets better as more people follow each other on different instances. The more they do, the more posts actually federate between instances, as (AFAIK) only posts of users followed are federated from remote instances.
@Gargron @sonya on that vein: how about #MastodonMonday, where people suggest other people to follow -- but preferably from small, less popular instances?
Thracky Spackoid
Terrana@sonya I'm on a completely different instance, but your post here still showed up on my federated feed. I'm not sure exactly how it works, but clearly something is getting through.
shel💯@sonya your federated timeline is every user followed by every user on your instance. The larger an instance gets the more it's federated timeline grows. Afaik this is how t works on gnusocial too just their nodes have had more time to reach out and link up with more users. Some even have bots that follow every user they find to link up the instances faster
@shel Thanks for explaining! I am very much not a fan of this configuration :(