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Gavin Shoebridge 1d ago

Got a new work laptop but... it's an Apple. 😬
Is the setup as easy as Windows or is it going to be a massive iDrama?

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Michal Bryxí 1d ago

@KiwiEV Heh. This reads like a root from alternative universe.

If one doesn’t fight against Apple ways for no good reason, then Apple is, in my opinion, the easiest way to computer.

And having brief moments of the need to do anything trivial on windows over the decades I shiver every time I have to interact with this hellish nonsense.

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RaymondPierreL3 1d ago

@MichalBryxi @KiwiEV
Let me tell you about the ways and means #Apple uses to make your computing hardware redundent by design… (not to say releases after sloppy coding, testing, and QA)

Microsoft Vs Apple is a non event, they are both gatekeeping communities and profit machines… whatever UI differences are there, it’s all about taking the piss… and your money.

Of course, that is only my opinion. You’re welcome.

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Michal Bryxí 1d ago

@RaymondPierreL3 @KiwiEV How does Apple make HW redundant by design? I have 6 y.o. MBP that still runs the newest OS and operating smoother way beyond what Redmond could do.
Laptops prebubdled with Windows are often times barely useable before one uninstalls all the adware. If one can at all.
They both do profit, but the MS model is IMO way more hostile to the user as one does not have an option for good experience.

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RaymondPierreL3 1d ago

[edited for spelling mistakes - abhorrent!]
@MichalBryxi
I’ve had to upgrade my iPad three times because it could not support new updates. Fact — acknowledged by Apple.

One devil being worse than another still leave us with two devils. It makes no sense sticking with either when alternatives are available. Simple logic.

In the end, it’s really about what use the technology can provide to help you do what you want to do. If that means you’ll have to sell your soul to the devil, it’s your choice. It all comes down to the choices you make and the things you take on as a result of those choices; but you shouldn’t champion those choice blindly IMO.

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Michal Bryxí 1d ago

@RaymondPierreL3 Agree, but I'm far from "there are alternatives". Alternatives for whom? #Linux?

Person that is happy to compile a kernel and webcam drivers to make the most basic things work somehow until they break again with next release? Been there, ran #Gentoo on all my machines and #Ubuntu on relatives for ~decade.

Would not choose to do it again. Time is the ultimate finite resource of mine and I'd rather have "works ok-ish now" than "could work eventually if I spend more time on it".

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RaymondPierreL3 1d ago

@MichalBryxi
I installed LinuxMint. Easy peasy; download package to a USB stick, boot from the stick, follow prompts, DONE! No fuss, no mess, no compiling, all my computing needs installed and working right off the bat. I don’t see what’s hard about that. Lived experience talking here.

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Michal Bryxí 1d ago

@RaymondPierreL3 Would your elderly relatives call it “easy peasy”? Are you actually frank or did you have to spend hours on forums to make *every* piece of hardware work? Or did you just settle on things not working and shrug it off as “don’t need that? How actually easier is this process than opening a laptop with already working OS that will 100% survive major upgrade versus the good feels of “yay I’m free”?
Been there, done that. Same experience, opposite conclusions.

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RaymondPierreL3

@MichalBryxi
I was very frank about #LinuxMint. I’m 76 yo and did not need anyone’s help putting a Linux partition on my Windows10 machine (I just could not contemplate upgrading to Windows11). Both WIn10 and LinuxMint partitions working without any hitches for a couple of years now — It’s taking me a while to move from one to the other because I’m lazy and I’m doing it as the need arises or as my data (shared between partitions - also easily done) moves from Win apps to Linux apps. Really not a challenge, just time consuming.

I’ll admit to the fact that downloading the Distro onto USB stick took me a few goes before I got it right and having to read the install instructions (A first time for me — hardly ever read install doco).