I roll my eyes when conservatives say "if everyone would just accept Jesus..." etc. and just as hard when progressives say things like "What we need is for everyone to care about each other, stop striving for personal gain, protest like their lives depended on it, and do effective and persistent mutual aid."

They will not. Everyone will not just. If this is your plan, then you have no plan.

I don't want the Christofascist fantasy. I want the world where everyone cares for everyone else, even at cost to themselves, and opposes ridiculous and unjust uses of authority. I want the world where bullies don't exist, where psychopaths don't take advantage of caring communities. But neither of those worlds exists or will exist in the foreseeable future.

I want the same "what" as many people here, but I am almost always deeply skeptical of the "how." I'm not sure I've ever heard, on the #fediverse, any plan for how to reach the shared goals except "everyone needs to just..." and I frequently note that the goals of progressives are often identical to those of conservatives. The "how" is everything.

I don't know what the solution is. I don't have a silver bullet "how." Everyone will not stop caring about resources and become anti-capitalist, support others when they or their loved ones lack resources, or start protesting injustice at cost to themelves.

"Line them up against the wall" etc. is just as empty. What happens after that? For that matter, what's your plan to actually win this violent revolution you fantasize? Perhaps you enjoy a little progressive-world fiefdom on the fediverse and haven't felt the need to work out the details. Even if your pipe-dream revolution (which has no plan, no strategy, and no resources) succeeds, I have yet to hear any plan for a system to replace the current one that has plausible safeguards against devolvoing into this or a worse system. And yes, it's all systems. You don't get an exemption. Even "no gods, no masters" is a system, just (as usually articulated) a thin, poorly-realized one.

I don't have the answers, but I haven't seen anyone else with answers, either. The best approach I've seen is from someone I love dearly who says, when we have discussions like this, that we will iterate. We will try things incrementally and adjust and improve. This isn't "you'll be the first against the wall." It isn't "Everyone needs to become a really good anarchist." This is something I can at least believe.

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