Got a new work laptop but... it's an Apple. 😬
Is the setup as easy as Windows or is it going to be a massive iDrama?

@KiwiEV Heh. This reads like a root from alternative universe.

If one doesn’t fight against Apple ways for no good reason, then Apple is, in my opinion, the easiest way to computer.

And having brief moments of the need to do anything trivial on windows over the decades I shiver every time I have to interact with this hellish nonsense.

@MichalBryxi @KiwiEV
Let me tell you about the ways and means #Apple uses to make your computing hardware redundent by design… (not to say releases after sloppy coding, testing, and QA)

Microsoft Vs Apple is a non event, they are both gatekeeping communities and profit machines… whatever UI differences are there, it’s all about taking the piss… and your money.

Of course, that is only my opinion. You’re welcome.

@RaymondPierreL3 @KiwiEV How does Apple make HW redundant by design? I have 6 y.o. MBP that still runs the newest OS and operating smoother way beyond what Redmond could do.
Laptops prebubdled with Windows are often times barely useable before one uninstalls all the adware. If one can at all.
They both do profit, but the MS model is IMO way more hostile to the user as one does not have an option for good experience.

[edited for spelling mistakes - abhorrent!]
@MichalBryxi
I’ve had to upgrade my iPad three times because it could not support new updates. Fact — acknowledged by Apple.

One devil being worse than another still leave us with two devils. It makes no sense sticking with either when alternatives are available. Simple logic.

In the end, it’s really about what use the technology can provide to help you do what you want to do. If that means you’ll have to sell your soul to the devil, it’s your choice. It all comes down to the choices you make and the things you take on as a result of those choices; but you shouldn’t champion those choice blindly IMO.

@RaymondPierreL3 Agree, but I'm far from "there are alternatives". Alternatives for whom? #Linux?

Person that is happy to compile a kernel and webcam drivers to make the most basic things work somehow until they break again with next release? Been there, ran #Gentoo on all my machines and #Ubuntu on relatives for ~decade.

Would not choose to do it again. Time is the ultimate finite resource of mine and I'd rather have "works ok-ish now" than "could work eventually if I spend more time on it".

@MichalBryxi
I installed LinuxMint. Easy peasy; download package to a USB stick, boot from the stick, follow prompts, DONE! No fuss, no mess, no compiling, all my computing needs installed and working right off the bat. I don’t see what’s hard about that. Lived experience talking here.
@RaymondPierreL3 Would your elderly relatives call it “easy peasy”? Are you actually frank or did you have to spend hours on forums to make *every* piece of hardware work? Or did you just settle on things not working and shrug it off as “don’t need that? How actually easier is this process than opening a laptop with already working OS that will 100% survive major upgrade versus the good feels of “yay I’m free”?
Been there, done that. Same experience, opposite conclusions.
@RaymondPierreL3 The original premise of the conversation was "Using Windows is easier than using MacOS". So I feel entitled to call out #LinuxBros for bringing *their* set of values and biases into the conversation and trying to hijack conversation into *their* direction while nobody asked, very few care and many would disagree with.
@MichalBryxi
Sorry you feel that way, but it’s your life bro…
Just so you know, I’m coming from the perspective of #Resistance and slowly weaning myself off anything that is #TechBros, #Grifting and #Gatekeeping and especially #GenAISlop. I want to liberate myself from their $$/info-sucking yokes and to champion free web, FOSS and not for profit app dev. Call me insane if you like, but after 5 decades I’m tired of being taken for a servile (not to say slave) idiot by #BigUSTech especially.

I’m adding a comment to my toot so you can skip it easy if you wish.

Gentle reminders about the #Fediverse
1) if your toots are public anyone can see them and comment on them, and people injecting themselves in conversations is what social networks are all about.
2) The fedi’s purpose is to link people to people to enable civil discourse, everyone is welcomed.
3) The fedi is not about manning the fort of your convinvctions. You can do that on toxic commercial platform (where you’ll find other barricaded individuals). Though, nothing is stopping you from doing it here either, just be prepared for honest discussions about it.
4) If you do not wish to talks, discuss, contrast and compare, then don’t toot publically and keep keep them in ‘private’ bubbles that you’re comfortable in (that’s ok too on the Fedi if that is what you need).

Anyway. Welcome to the Fediverse dude.