https://overreacted.io/there-are-no-instances-in-atproto/

While having an extremely snobbish and arrogant tone, I think it makes some good points about separating hosting from viewing, which I think the usual #fediverse sort of conflates. And while the doesn't doesn't cover it, #atproto also has the unique feature of your data being relatively portable, largely absent in #fediverse.

#fediverse #atproto #bluesky #mastodon #lemmy #activitypub

On the other hand, the post largely glosses over the actual cost of running it, which Rob addresses above.

In fact, it entirely skips relays, which are so fundamental now, and in particular, that every #atproto app effectively needs to consume one.

(If your atproto app doesn't consume from a relay, it HAS an embedded relay, and in that case, god help your app's compute consumption).

#atproto #bluesky

Having said that, and also disliking the fact that it came out of corpo billionaire creators of twitter, I genuinely believe there's some good stuff to pick up from that protocol.

In particular, I think the coolest part of the architecture is server-independent (more like server-migratable) identity, which is kind of amazing.

Activitypub/fediverse should adopt https://helge.codeberg.page/fep/fep/ef61/ soon, and I feel like that'd be even better than what atproto has if I understand correctly.

#activitypub #fediverse #atproto #bluesky #mastodon #federated #protocols

@innocentzero @ricci

Just had the most horrifying UX parsing this thread in Mastodon's microblog feed, likely causing 10x more network overhead than needed, and replied to @cwebber quote:

https://social.coop/@smallcircles/116792896530026124

Stepping away from ATProto vs. AP I was most intrigued by @dialecticalmusings comment:

> People arguing about moderation and community building often have fundamentally differing visions for the political economy of the Fediverse, but those differences never get unpacked, so people end up talking past each other.

What is never answered well is: What is fediverse? I'd argue it is just a common utility word like internet and web, denoting a communication medium.

What do you do with this medium is then the next question. Well, the power of ActivityPub allows us "to extend constructs of society online" to support our daily needs.

But on the basis of some warped microblog abstraction turned into a pretzel by bolting on features to hang everything off, this is not possible.

@innocentzero @ricci @cwebber @dialecticalmusings

If you take as the definition of social networking: Any direct and indirect human interaction between people.

And add ActivityPub in the full power of its conceptual architecture: A social graph of addressible actors that exchange activities with an object payload, fully extensible.

Then you have raw power to model about any online service where people interact with each other.

As part of my elaboration on Social experience design (SX) I coined "Personal social networking" as the exercise on how we can translate social networking practices we do for 1,000's of years offline, and think about how to seamlessly extend them with online support.

We talk so much how Moderation is essential, and there must be a Block and Suspend button etcetera.. but where do I have this offline in real social situations? Somehow social happens differently there. There's no moderator looking over my shoulder if I walk the streets of my town.