@davidgerard it’s curious that “nuanced” is often thrown, sorry, flung like a steaming wet turd, at people who have arrived at a strong “NoAI” position after considering the many risk, environmental, and societal problems with AI, and any (if any) “benefits” (or, more specifically, if the outputs are “beneficial” to *any* degree).
In what way is that consideration and arrival at an anti-AI position *not* nuanced, or reasonable, or thorough.
It’s almost as if their handwaving “it’s good for certain uses”, or “but you just have to review the output”, or “it has gotten to know my needs in my field” is meant to hypnotise us into submission and make us say one of two things:
• “Oh, I never thought of it that way! Wow, how insightful!” or
• “Yes, I do acknowledge there is a spectrum of suitability, and I accept your use, or the use you posit, is an acceptable use for AI.”
It’s not a dialog. To be considered “nuanced” your view *has to* allow AI acceptable use carve outs.
And that introduces AI’s own version of “the ineffective centrist”, and AI’s own version of the Overton Window.
Huh, now why do they seem such appropriate parallels…?
@europlus @davidgerard That's the feeling I get from a lot of discussions of AI ethics which end on something like
"You should consider these factors carefully before deciding whether to use an LLM."
"OK, I've considered them and I've chosen not to use an LLM."
"Oh. We didn't actually expect anyone to take that option."
@Yuvalne @CynAq @robinadams @europlus @davidgerard
I have thought long and hard about the what the fascists are pushing on us and calling "AI" this time. If it had been done differently, this would be incredibly cool technology. But it wasn't done differently. It was done like this and that fact must always be part of the conversation. As you say, it adds nuance and keeps us from considering only its novelty and utility. It's the "why" that boosters often seem to forget to mention.
@CynAq
Yes it‘s exactly the same strategy as fossil fuel supporters use in German discussions about climate change.
Unless you agree with them to change nothing they accuse you of not being „technologieoffen“ (being-open-to-other-Technologies) and fantasize about cheap and fast nuclear plants, e-fuels, and fusion plants really soon now.
@robinadams @europlus @davidgerard
I feel like this is a consequence of "both sides"-ism becoming a plague among discourse and truth in general.
Nuance now means "okay but the bad thing is good too, right" and it's not allowed to ACTUALLY be purely bad.
but I don't have the chops to elaborate that thought beyond the general vibe.