For a mix of reasons I perceive the digital world getting worse.

Not just the services and applications but also all the regulatory things coming down the pipeline; likely wider-spread mandatory age verification, a recent example. Many others.

Though it can be sometimes frustrating, I have found “real world” domain stuff very relaxing and cathartic. You will have noticed my DIY game rising lately.

Rounding over the edges of a bit of oak is wonderfully “analogue”.

And tangible; physical.

I am lucky to have a workshop to do these things in. But I suspect there are physical-domain hobbies that almost anyone could do, without needing much space and tools.

I find I feel better about “digital” once it is a smaller component of a wider life.

Perhaps an unintended consequence of governmental fiddling will be a return to an approach more like dialup days, where you sat down for a contained amount of time, used “the internet” then stopped and went back to doing something else?

If something like this does happen then it is hard not to think that economically there will be a movement back towards what was the case back then.

Put bluntly, if you have fewer people using the internet for less and less time, the money walks away.

I wonder if the government(s) forecasted for this. It’s a big chunk of the economy at several layers.

Perhaps treating the Internet more like we did back in dialup days might even be healthier?

If this thread sounds pessimistic and negative, I don’t intend it to be so, at least not entirely. By way of example, remember when Twitter got ruined? It had been getting slowly worse for years then it got fully ruined.

Note where you are reading this thread now. Better than Twitter ever was, isn’t it? And all because of something we almost all were deflated and upset about when it first happened.

There is room for cautious optimism.

@bloor I get very little engagement on Masto, so I see it as weaning me off of social media entirely. I do agree that there is room for optimism about this.
@theolodian @bloor I'm hoping it could normalise my not doing most of the social media things and hence maybe get folks to put info on websites rather than a Facebook page or menus on "insta"
@theolodian @bloor some of the lower engagement will be the lack of popular content or whatever content that the network wants to push, pushing it on you. There's more effort to find things. Maybe that is a good thing and can help for a healthier lifestyle. Infinite scroll is another design pattern that causes addictive issues. Forums used to require you to page through results and the act of doing so made you pause and go this is enough.

@bloor I'm not sure about your optimism, but thank you for thinking out loud ... it's really intriguing to think where this might go next....

As with WhatsApp groups and similar, maybe more and more "local" or "invite-only" instances of social media, where the platforms push the legal and ethical responsibilities down to the local admins, but run the underlying infrastructure in return for analytical data to sell on?

@bloor yes to more time in the garden, workshop or DIY. If you want the social aspect then volunteer. 👍

@bloor I think you make a great point, but I wonder how many people have workshops, or even a space to do this kind of thing in?

My *feeling* ( so unsupported by research or evidence ) is that more people are living together in the UK than they did before due to still living with parents or renting with friends and so on, and houses/rooms are generally smaller in more modern houses, so people just don't have the room for this kind of activity?

@SonOfSunTzu @bloor This is why hackspaces, mens sheds and similar are important!

@nav @SonOfSunTzu Andrews & Arnold doesn't just pontificate about this.

We provide broadband, free of charge, to a lot of Hack/Makerspaces. It's a small way we can help.

@bloor @SonOfSunTzu As a member of @lhs I am very grateful for this! Thankyou!
@SonOfSunTzu @bloor I think you are correct in this Nick. Families living with parents is a lot more common again. I had the problem that I didn't have space to do things I did so ended up renting a space in an arts complex, which serves as a workshop, lab, and place to work when I need to concentrate. It's nice cos it's properly mine and nobody can tell me off for leaving something "out".
@jess @SonOfSunTzu @bloor it feels like you have to be really determined to have any sort of physical projects as a young person these days. My first car was a non-runner that was given to me before I was old enough to drive. I had to get it running to have a car, I had to have a car to socialise with anyone. Now it’s all just online.

@bloor I never stopped doing AFK things. From growing pepper plants on the balcony to doing the dishes while playing an album on my turntable.

With that same thought I never owned a laptop. And on top of it all I run a coffee stand on our local market every Saturday, I call that my off-line day.

I was an early adopter of the internet but never let it be more important then my analogue live.

I guess this is also where @uselessness is about.

@bloor I personally see having a year to brush up on YouTube woodworking videos before I’m kicked off the platform. I foresee feeling like a digital hermit despite living in a city centre. Probably for the best though, all told. 🤔
@bloor I agree with this general feeling.
@bloor amen brother, I feel like they took the digital world we loved and smothered it. Now I get my kicks from gardening.
@stardot @bloor Nothing stops you tinkering with 40 year old tech :-)
@penguin42 I *am* 40+ year old tech.
@penguin42 @bloor dodgy caps might 😬
@stardot @bloor They're part of the challenge 🙂
@stardot kneecaps?
@bloor well yeh, that too, climbing under desks when your over 40 isn't as fun as it used to be
@bloor and you can hit racists with it 🤣

@bloor I have been enjoying splicing in the real world far more than computing the last few years. Computers and everything tech in general is becoming infuriating to use.

I especially dislike it when someone sends me an Instagram video and I can't view it because I don't have an account, nor will I ever have one.

@CenturyAvocado @bloor
.... but then is the instagram content worth the effort of viewing.....