Mastodawn

@rl_dane Back onto linux for a while? Devuan is the no systemd debian distro isn't it?

Yeah, Devuan is Debian minus systemd (which you can still do manually by dropping into a shell during Debian installation, but this was easier. XD)

I'm still running Linux on several boxen. This was my CachyOS laptop, but I decided to hop to Devuan next.
I've got an OpenSuse SFF desktop and my work machine is vanilla Debian. ;)

^. .^ Paul Wilde

Jun 15

@rl_dane @sotolf systemd-less distros are an absolute dream.
I have had zero issues with anything that would typically be a systemd task and both computers I have Alpine installed on have gained performance.
Why distros still use systemd is beyond me. #bloatware

thedoctor Jun 15

@paul I don't feel qualified enough to really contribute anything meaningful to the whole pro/con discussion but it was my impression that the whole systemd issue isn't quite as black and white as it is often made out to be.

I remember reading a forum post by an Arch maintainer that went fairly in-depth on the whole situation and they argued that the status pre-systemd was worse in Arch.
@rl_dane @sotolf

@thedoctor @paul @rl_dane I might be weird, but I really liked the rc.d system that arched used to have before systemd, it might be that it was ugly behind the scenes, but as a user it was really nice to use :)

I only wish Devuan used init 3 for text multiuser and init 5 for graphical (greeter) multiuser like old RedHat used. That was a nice setup. But I guess it's easy enough to just enable/disable the greeter of choice, which is what I did, because slim didn't want to see sway.

@rl_dane @thedoctor @paul I just use startx typing that is just as fast as doing the whole greeter thing, I don't need my pc to be polite :p

My only problem with not having a greeter is the default console font is so tiny. I've fixed that in Debian before, I'll need to look it up again.

Someday, I need to figure out how to increase the font size in Grub.

Can the installer not just pick a larger font by default is the display is 1080p? Sheesh. :P

@rl_dane @thedoctor @paul

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Linux_console#Fonts ;)

Linux console - ArchWiki

I've used setfont before, it's just a question of making the change stick. I think it works differently in Debian than Arch, but I'm not sure.

@rl_dane @thedoctor @paul About 5 cm more down it has the settings to make it stick, usually both debian and arch is rather close to the vanilla when it comes to things like this, so it should work, but I'm not 100% sure.

@rl_dane @thedoctor @paul Or you just do the HaCk3rm4N thing and put it in .bashrc :p

Or rc.local, maybe??

thedoctor Jun 15

@rl_dane @sotolf @paul I give it a few years and Linux will have become unviable for the purist crowd which will start the whole cycle all over again.

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

- Donald Trump

@thedoctor @sotolf @paul

I thought the Joker said that? Trump was never a hero.

As soon as you make numbers the goal, you become the very ones you sought to replace.