R.L. Dane 
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Greetings from #Devuan! ;)
Managed to blitz NetworkManger removing unneeded packages, lol.
Thank goodness for rescue mode in the installer! 😄
sotolfYeah, Devuan is Debian minus systemd (which you can still do manually by dropping into a shell during Debian installation, but this was easier. XD)
I'm still running Linux on several boxen. This was my CachyOS laptop, but I decided to hop to Devuan next.
I've got an OpenSuse SFF desktop and my work machine is vanilla Debian. ;)
^. .^ Paul Wilde 
@rl_dane @sotolf systemd-less distros are an absolute dream.
I have had zero issues with anything that would typically be a systemd task and both computers I have Alpine installed on have gained performance.
Why distros still use systemd is beyond me. #bloatware
I have had zero issues with anything that would typically be a systemd task and both computers I have Alpine installed on have gained performance.
Why distros still use systemd is beyond me. #bloatware
thedoctor@paul I don't feel qualified enough to really contribute anything meaningful to the whole pro/con discussion but it was my impression that the whole systemd issue isn't quite as black and white as it is often made out to be.
I remember reading a forum post by an Arch maintainer that went fairly in-depth on the whole situation and they argued that the status pre-systemd was worse in Arch.
@rl_dane @sotolf
@thedoctor @paul @rl_dane I might be weird, but I really liked the rc.d system that arched used to have before systemd, it might be that it was ugly behind the scenes, but as a user it was really nice to use :)
I only wish Devuan used init 3 for text multiuser and init 5 for graphical (greeter) multiuser like old RedHat used. That was a nice setup. But I guess it's easy enough to just enable/disable the greeter of choice, which is what I did, because slim didn't want to see sway.
@rl_dane @thedoctor @paul I just use startx typing that is just as fast as doing the whole greeter thing, I don't need my pc to be polite :p
My only problem with not having a greeter is the default console font is so tiny. I've fixed that in Debian before, I'll need to look it up again.
Someday, I need to figure out how to increase the font size in Grub.
Can the installer not just pick a larger font by default is the display is 1080p? Sheesh. :P
I've used setfont before, it's just a question of making the change stick. I think it works differently in Debian than Arch, but I'm not sure.
@rl_dane @thedoctor @paul About 5 cm more down it has the settings to make it stick, usually both debian and arch is rather close to the vanilla when it comes to things like this, so it should work, but I'm not 100% sure.
Or rc.local, maybe??
I thought the Joker said that? Trump was never a hero.
As soon as you make numbers the goal, you become the very ones you sought to replace.
Dave@rl_dane Two face said it. Before he was Two Face...it was Harvey Dent.
Ahhh, ok. I knew it was from the "new" Batman movies. ;)
@rl_dane Jeez guys! Have you never played "Game of Quotes"?
I don't think I've heard of that game.
kabel42@kabel42 @thedoctor @dm @sotolf @paul
Only when they're feeling sassy? 😄
@kabel42 @thedoctor @dm @sotolf @paul
Still gives me chills so many years later.
Rory, why the hell would you go poking at a dalek like that? Are you really that daft??!? 😂
@rl_dane The concept of the game is that you are given cards with quotes and others with authors on them and your task is to find combinations that are incorrect but funny. At one point you can also think of an author yourself. It can be a lot of fun and it's interesting how using "Donald Trump" as an author makes almost every quote funny.
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