John Finnemore on the French horn/cor anglais:

"I was idly wondering why the cor anglais has a French name meaning ‘English horn’, and the French horn has an English name meaning… well, ‘French horn’. I looked it up, even though I knew there would just be some reasonable but rather dull explanation.

"There isn’t. There is a completely bonkers explanation, in both cases. Here’s the first.

"So. The cor anglais isn’t English, or French. But that’s nothing, because another thing it isn’t is… a horn. It’s basically an overgrown oboe, and it’s from Silesia. But being thin with a bulb on the end, it looks a little like the trumpets angels are shown playing in medieval art.

"Or at least it did to the Germans, who started calling it the Engellisches Horn, or angel’s horn. Can you see the hilarious misunderstanding that’s about to happen? Well, that happened. The Italians thought the Germans called it the English Horn, so they translated it to corno inglese. The French got it from the Italians, and called it the cor anglais. The British got it from the French, and presumably stared at it, thought ‘We can’t call that an English horn! It’s nothing to do with us, we’ve only just this minute seen one!’ …and I suppose decided just to keep the French name to save embarrassment.

"But that is rationality itself compared to what happened with the “French” horn.

"Right. The French horn. It isn’t French, or English… but it is a horn. So that’s something. (In fact, horn players just call it ‘the horn’, and they wish you would too, but they can’t make you.) This story is simpler than the cor anglais one, but even more gloriously stupid.

"The French were famous for making beautiful hunting-horn type horns: curly tubes that made a nice noise when you blew through them. Then the Germans came up with a more complicated horn with slides and crooks and valves and what-have-you. So British horn players started calling the horns they played in orchestras French Horns, to make it clear they were having nothing to do with those funny looking new German horns with all the bits hanging off them. But the thing is… slides and crooks and valves and what-have-you are a really good idea. You can play tunes with them and everything. So, before long, in a brilliantly British combination of ruthless pragmatism and equally ruthless face-saving, British horn players were playing German horns… but still calling them French horns.

"In summary then: the cor anglais, or English horn, is a Silesian oboe that the Italians thought the Germans thought was English, but the Germans actually thought looked angelic. Whereas the French horn is a German horn that the British called the French horn to distinguish it from the German horn… which is what it is.

"All clear? Good. Carry on."

@davep I've worked as an arranger/orchestrator, we just write "Horn in F" for "French" Horns because of this.
@earwigplanet @davep nope. that's not the reason for the F :-)

@zzoo
@earwigplanet @davep
It's because of how you hold it 😁

But seriously F is the key, since original horns didn't have valves composers would have two sets of two horns and they would fill in the gaps that each key couldn't play. Mozart had some exceptional pieces where this takes place.

@rethnor @zzoo @earwigplanet @davep
How can an instrument without valves not allow playing any of the 12 notes ? Or does that apply to the lower/higher range of each instrument ?

@undeuxtrois

@zzoo @earwigplanet @davep

I played horn from middle school through college, although it had been over 20 years since I played...

Since Brass only has 3 valves (half-step, whole-step, and one and a half) you keep adjusting your lips to change the pitch. The higher the octave the closer the notes when changing Embouchure, ie the pitch at the lips.

At lower octave all combinations of valves are required to get all the notes, at high octaves they can be as close as a quarter-step.

The horn is frequently played in the upper register so the harmonics are closer together. This plus when blocking the bell with the hand the pitch changes about a half step. So with two horns in two different keys a full range of notes can be played without the use of valves.

Here is an example of a horn with no valves and how they change notes

https://youtube.com/shorts/BeQ-kw3Yh6s?si=dq9Um0OkmWlhpDB3

Mozart’s Horn

YouTube