Some politicians in the UK think it is a good idea to introduce identity verification for using VPN services.

It could be that these politicians do not understand what they are proposing. The alternative, that they do understand, would be even worse.

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Whistleblowers, activists, and journalists depend on anonymous VPN services. Requiring identity verification for VPN services would put them at risk. It would also have a chilling effect on online debate (VPNs can help people post anonymously on social media).

In authoritarian countries, VPN services are crucial forcriticizing the government. That is precisely why such governments seek to ban or restrict them. Hopefully, the UK will not join that list.

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If they set the ban, it is by design. We know.

@mullvadnet personally, I'd recommend @torproject instead of a VPN simply because even Mullvad will comply with an orderly issue warrant.

  • And I don't expect your staff to risk dying of old age in jail…

https://web.archive.org/web/20220112020000/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968

The only thing that VPNs are good for is circumventing Geoblocking and Providers violating Net Neutrality.

  • But if you are targeted by state-sponsored attackers, espechally the UK government, a VPN is clearly insifficient
    • But those OpSec, InfoSec, ComSec & ITsec issues are way beyond the scope of this post

Case in point: If you want to watch i.e. @dw_innovation / DW news then a VPN is propably the only option if you can't get the livestream working.

  • But in terms of privacy, I'd rather recommend Tor.
    • Still I have to give you guys cudos for your OnionService and pro-privacy setup, and I think that Tor over VPN is a valid strategy on the go…

#VPN #Tor #privacy #InfoSec #OpSec #ComSec #ITsec #security #VPNs #Mullvad #Tor #DW #DeutscheWelle #DWnews #OnionService

thaddeus e. grugq on Twitter

“I’m gonna tell you a secret about “logless VPNs” — they don’t exist. Noone is going to risk jail for your $5/mo https://t.co/Q2aOQJkG4g”

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@Netzblockierer
Mulvad gets pretty secure if you are paying in cash or crypto but you're right on that VPN isn't something you should use if your threat model includes state actors.
@mullvadnet @torproject @dw_innovation

@MxSpoon Yeah, and I don't fault @mullvadnet for any of it.

And for what's worth Mullvad do their job pretty well.

  • It's just that one needs to know the use-cases and limitations of things.
    • Just like a Peterbilt Semi with a Detroit Diesel is a bad car to drive for shopping trips in the City, the Smart fortwo is a bad vehicle for towing & trailers.

Everything has some drawbacks, and if it's just to circumvent Geoblocking and ISPs fucking around with one's traffic, VPNs are just fine for that…

@MxSpoon @Netzblockierer @mullvadnet @torproject @dw_innovation they know your regular IP and with this you can be identified

@Okuna @MxSpoon @mullvadnet @torproject @dw_innovation if you use a VPN directly, yes.

  • OFC the old darkweb wisdom applies here, too:

Don't shit where you eat/sleep !

@mullvadnet

vpn is also crucial for me working from home 🤣

@mullvadnet Since when is VPN anonymous?
@duxsco @mullvadnet If the VPN provider does a good job with preventing logging, they are a service that anonymizes your IP.

@mullvadnet The point is exactly that the politicians of EU countries, USA, and of others aspire to turn them into authoritarian countries, even if they don't say this explicitly. It's crystal clear, seeing all these laws and law proposals. All of them aspire to become Russia 2.

#eupol

@mullvadnet Useful idiots and stooges. I’m sure there are plenty of both!

@mullvadnet
What if politicians understand everything but only voice false goals?

🤔

@mullvadnet

Using Occam's razor to think this through: my conclusion is that they do not understand it.

@mullvadnet The problem is that Cyberfascists do know that they are spouting fascist bs.!

  • Look at Zensursula which insulted everyone able to change DNS settings as "hardened Pedo-Criminal" and refused to apologize to this day, literally prompting CSA victims to unite as @MOGiS and tell her to basically 'STFU' and stop abusing them as blanket!

#Cyberfascism #Cyberfascists #Zensursula #VonDerLeyen #DNS #InternrtCensorship #CSA #CSAM #fascism #MOGiS

@mullvadnet

You don't need to verify your identity when using VPNs in Russia: most of them are just blocked and no longer work.

@mullvadnet the #uk #labourparty were always the ones wanting to snoop the most. When I lived there (which was years ago) they were trying to bring in rules to monitor all calls and internet site visits. By that I mean who you callled or which site you visited. As I assumed they were doing it already, I didn't have a problem with it or see it as a change. Also it was pre-VPN days. They let it slip during a news interview that that the new rules would formalise what they were already doing...

@mullvadnet Way too many politicians make decisions in domains where they are clearly poorly informed.

That is not where the problem stops - they are also arrogantly sure of their opinions and rarely heed the advice od experts when they contradict their arrogantly conceived and mostly non-holistic opinions.

@NicelyManifest I don't think the polititians consider how good or bad the idea is, they're just doing what their paymasters demand.
The likes of Thiel, Karp, and Ellison have openly said they want complete surveillance of all people, and do not want democracy.
These are powerful, but crazy people! @mullvadnet

@greenpete @mullvadnet Very much so. Lobbying, insider trading, abuse of expense claims. All in broad daylight (especially in the US).

Yet, Jeremy Corbyn was an exceptional beacon. 32 years voted as Islington MP as he does vast amounts to help people.

Met a lady in town the other day on bail for holding a sign. She was asked for an image to send to Corbyn in a recent protest. He replied with a thank you video!

@mullvadnet Banning VPNs would make us just as bad as countries like china 🇨🇳
@mrhcj @mullvadnet The fact they're needed now more than ever means we're already not far off.
@sjm @mullvadnet All in the name of keeping UK citizens safe online 🥲

It is perhaps notable that @mullvadnet do not understand threading on mastodon.

https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116701631372941413

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Whistleblowers, activists, and journalists depend on anonymous VPN services. Requiring identity verification for VPN services would put them at risk. It would also have a chilling effect on online debate (VPNs can help people post anonymously on social media). In authoritarian countries, VPN services are crucial forcriticizing the government. That is precisely why such governments seek to ban or restrict them. Hopefully, the UK will not join that list. 2/2

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@mullvadnet

Some politicians in the UK think it is a good idea to introduce identity verification for using VPN services.

Top of the some politicians Shabhana Mahmood.

She dreams about knowing everything about everybody.

Orwellian Ghoul.

@mullvadnet I would guess those politicians don't know what VPN services are.
Now I am curious what criteria was used to decide the order of countries on that list.
Yes, Russia does restrict VPN services. Except everyone here who uses the internet has a VPN, because without one, it's not very usable. It's easier to list what isn't blocked than what is. The government did a quite nice job raising the people's technological literacy.
@mullvadnet Hanlon's Razor is wrong. Or maybe incomplete is a better way to say it
The more power a person holds or believes to hold, the more likely it is, that one should attribute to malice, what could be explained by stupidity.

@mullvadnet

privacy is a Human Right, and includes anonymity

@mullvadnet not to forget, any legal definition of a VPN can be
a) so narrow as to be easily worked around
b) so broad as to include many perfectly sensible networking
c) both of the above.

It cannot be neither.

@mullvadnet Counters to this are to use a VPN that ignores bams/resrricrions in other countriea, or to bring up the heavy artillery by using Torbrowser. Not even China can consistantly and reliably blockbTor and they have a lor more resources that any US state does.

Not likely the US government wants to pay for and hire for a Great Firewall of America either.

@mullvadnet oh, they do understand. They absolutely do.
@mullvadnet if a kid has the wits to use a VPN, they're going to find a way to look at boobs one way or another.
Its like all the bad ideas from 2000 come back around again and its up to the perpetually overwhelmed public to get up the energy to slap sense into politicians.

@mullvadnet next step: Age verification for Tor

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