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John Tinker@littlealex
True, the AI does not understand human experience. However, it know nearly everything that has ever been said about the human experience. The AI brings a chorus of echos of real authors.
Pip@johntinker @littlealex You are defending a fascist system of control. Why?
@pip
You are making a statement of tribal loyalty instead of responding to the content of my comment. Why is that? I know what I am talking about: Do you?
You are making a statement of tribal loyalty instead of responding to the content of my comment. Why is that? I know what I am talking about: Do you?
@johntinker If so, than my tribe is humanity you motherfucker.
Which side are you on?
@pip
You sound like a Naza. Which side are you on? I note the lack of intellectual curiosity, the jumping to conclusions, the lack of research, the threatening tone.
You sound like a Naza. Which side are you on? I note the lack of intellectual curiosity, the jumping to conclusions, the lack of research, the threatening tone.
@johntinker It is an issue of bedrock morals for me. The environmental, social, and political costs are so grievous that it doesn't matter what AI can or can't do. And this is a conclusion I drew after years of study and careful consideration.
@pip
I have been interested in the language in which people have expressed ideas, and have studied the structure of language, rhetoric and locution since my youth, many decades ago. This is a major interest of mine, as reality seems to be one thing, and what people say about it seems to be quite different. I see contradictions everywhere, and have always sought methods to point them out.
You will be able to convince me that data centers are a real problem. You will be able to convince me that data itself is used for horrible purposes. More: that targeting lists are paying for AI development, that LLMs are not AGI, and that the confusion between the two is inflating the bubble. You can convince me that AGI is a misconception, and impossible to even define.
But you will not convince me that settling these issues can be done by making demands that everyone think like you do, or they become fair targets for abuse.
There is a great deal that might be being said right now that would be useful ways to think about AI, LLMs and chatbots, but the conversation is not happening on the left, because the people who know things have been silenced by noises from the crowd.
I would be curious to know your own ideas, and how you came to them.
@johntinker I agree with you so far as I've noticed that even most of those on the left are asking questions like "how can we use AI in a socially-positive way"? (which is the wrong question) rather than asking questions like "Why are people interesting in using AI in the first place?" or "How can we tear down the system known as AI?"
Those interested in learning the truth about AI would do well to read @danmcquillan or @timnitGebru.