Mastodawn

Jake May 21

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf
I'm missing Vivaldi

@Jake_T12 @Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf

Fello Mello May 21

I was going to write the same. Thanks.
@Vivaldi

Guillaume ⁂May 21

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf **Waterfox**, of course : No Mozilla A.I. bullshit but still account Sync through all my browsers. 😙

BenVB May 21

Personally, discovering Zen had a positive impact on my workflow.

Marc May 21

@Tutanota I'm missing @Vivaldi in this list.

alexisonminis May 21

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf
I have been running Floorp for some years now and I am in love. ^^

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf

onkelmorfar May 21

Firefox and Mullvad
(Mullvad not running on ARM processors - so Firefox on that)

Freenet / Hyphanet May 21

@Tutanota The freenetbrowser script sets up a dedicated profile for icecat, waterfox or firefox that uses Hyphanet as SOCKS5 proxy to ensure that no unsafe access can sneak through.

https://github.com/hyphanet/browser/blob/main/freenetbrowser.in#L210

We should investigate adding librewolf and zenbrowser to the list of browsers to select as base for the profile but need to test first that the automated profile setup works for them.

@firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @librewolf

browser/freenetbrowser.in at main · hyphanet/browser

easy, secured Hyphanet opennet usage for *nix. Contribute to hyphanet/browser development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf

KiberSzamuraj42 May 21

Vanadium :)

Am I missing Brave browser here???

SHMU May 21

@FransVeldman brave browser is pretty fascisty, not a big improvement over chrome 😅️

Can you explain that a bit more? It looks to me like a browser with a very good privacy standard.

SHMU May 21

@FransVeldman founded and run by brendan eich of homophobic disrepute https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/mozilla-boss-brendan-eich-quits-in-row-over-his-opposition-to-gay-marriage-9237701.html they've taken investment from Peter Thiel, the archfascist christo-nationalist, their privacy track-record is debated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser) plus they incorporate a cryptocurrency into the browser.

Mozilla boss Brendan Eich quits in row over his opposition to gay

The Standard

Didn’t know that, thanks. That cryptocurrency shit is easy to turn off.

DigitalDigger May 21

@FransVeldman @samuel still it is one of the best regarding out-of-the-box privacy settings. I ditched it for the reasons above but for a first step into privacy world, Brave is great

@dadinek

@samuel So which one do you use now? Any recommendations?

DigitalDigger May 22

@FransVeldman @samuel I use Vivaldi from Norway. I love it because you can really customise your experience. I like Zen as well. Otherwise it's firefox and its forks such as librewolf, waterfox

Paul - Antifa. LGBTQ+ safe.May 21

@Tutanota Vivaldi. Hands down the best for me.

ArchiveScribe May 21

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf Anything but Chrome!

Baharul Islam May 21

@Tutanota
Ah! You should've included name below (Would be helpful for those looking for alternatives)

BTW for me It's LibreWolf & Tor

Verena Rupp May 21

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf Vivaldi.

Soundtrackcity May 21

@Tutanota @EugeneMcParland @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf Vivaldi

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf
https://european-alternatives.eu/alternative-to/google-search
https://european-alternatives.eu/alternative-to/google-chrome

Verena Rupp May 21

European alternatives to Google Search | European Alternatives

Google is the biggest search engine in the world, from the USA-based company Alphabet.

European Alternatives

Sarah W May 21

@VerenaRupp @Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf
I liked mojeek but it was quite limited. I use quant at work, again pretty limited.

Mario May 21

@Tutanota I haven't even heard of some of these browsers. I will give them a try. Thanks.

@mariob Enjoy!

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf Helium ?

Тимур Сагденов May 21

@Tutanota
You mentioned the wrong puffin, I guess.

Robert Berger May 21

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf
Depending on the purpose:

Tor
Vivaldi
DuckDuck

Nothing else...

Jochen May 21

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf missing BRAVE 🤔

@jo69 @Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf

FreediverX 2d ago

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf

Sibrosan May 21

The ordering of the list appears mostly based on personal preference, no clear criteriums are given that I would consider relevant.

I saw a test in which Mullvad (even if used without VPN) came out best wrt privacy, although not as user friendly, and Brave as the best choice for most users.

@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf

Marc 🐷🌏🍉May 21

Where's @Vivaldi ?

the_riviera_kid May 21

In the trash where it belongs.

@the_riviera_kid @marc_eu

I'm curious and suspicious. Why would Vivaldi be left out of this list, and why would someone call it trash? I'm using Vivaldi, and it seems like a very good choice to me.

Not looking for a fight, but would like to know.

Marc 🐷🌏🍉May 21

@darkwolf @the_riviera_kid
Some are fanatic without arguments.

fizzle May 21

Me personally: its chromium based, and doesn’t it have an email client?

I wouldnt call it trash necessarily but… its not my thing.

@fizzle got ya. I don't use the email client, but I think they do have one
https://vivaldi.com/features/mail/

There's a lot of Chromium browsers listed here. I get that someone might choose Water/LibreFox instead. I don't get why Vivaldi would be left out of the options.

Vivaldi Mail - An email client built into your browser

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Vivaldi Browser

one_old_coder May 21

It’s not open source.

@one_old_coder ok, got it. It's freeware, though? I guess I'm still confused. Are people upset with Vivaldi because the code is proprietary? Doesn't seem like there's a privacy risk, it doesn't use AI, doesn't use manifest V3.. Seems like the best choice. Again, this is just making me curious.

one_old_coder May 21

Vivaldi is really good visually and has good features. But the fact that it is closed-source and may not have uBlock Origin is a bad thing. I used to accept black boxes a long time ago when I was starting to write my own programs, but I have now seen all the bad things coming from closed-source applications that I am very careful now.

It’s not more a privacy risk than other applications, but you cannot check or know whether it’s the truth. And what happens when they start to fuck me up because it’s “free” and I have to spend a whole week-end migrating to another browser because the CEO needs more money and starts to do weird stuff with his project?

I may over react, but I have seen bad behaviors for more than 20 years, and I am careful now. If I don’t use it, I avoid 48 hours of technical support trying to find an alternative. Also it is based on Chrome which makes it more restricted for the plugins. Yet another bad thing that I can avoid right now by not using their product.

A summary would be: it’s good (good), but it’s based on Chrome, it’s restricted, I am dependent on yet another company that will switch sides because it technically has no clients (it’s free), and it’s closed-source.

Last but not least, they had a thing in their terms of services which said that they could close your account without warning if you didn’t behave elsewhere on the internet. Another red flag.

@one_old_coder on those are good points. I'm using uBlock origin on it and have disabled ads. I am very much concerned about who might have access to my data, stored passwords, etc. I understand where you're coming from. I'm not sure if I trust a fork of Firefox if the base is at risk. From what I can tell, Vivaldi and Water/Librefox are all kind of circumventing what Google and Mozilla are doing. Ultimately, the best thing would be to build an entirely new browser, IMO. In the meantime, it's good to know what the best options are.

the_riviera_kid May 21

I’m guessing it was left off the list because it’s not open source but honestly I was just making a joke.

@the_riviera_kid lol ok got ya. Thought there might be something I was missing. Like, "Why are people bagging on Vivaldi?"

Thyazide May 21

These are all just chrome and firefox with extra steps.

True

@Thyazide @Tutanota
From Vivaldi concerning it being Chromium based:
"Vivaldi is based on Chromium, which is open-source, and all the
improvements we make to this code are published under the same open-
source license. That’s roughly 95% of the code. The remaining 5%, related to Vivaldi's UI, remains proprietary to this day, although it is still possible to make sense of the obfuscated code and edit it to mod the browser to your liking (something some of the community members do).
As for the reasons for not going fully open-source at the moment, despite
many of Vivaldi's employees being proponents and users of open-source
software, the devil is in the details. The UI is what makes Vivaldi a unique
browser, we wouldn’t want our work to be used to create a forked browser
that opposes our ethics, and given our limited resources, we cannot
commit to review submitted patches.
This is what works for our company now, but the discussion is, regardless,
far from settled."