AI6YR BenWPDE: Climber rescued after being pinned under 16,000-pound boulder
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MsMerope
Scott Miller 🇺🇦 🇺🇸@ai6yr The article briefly mentions they built a field rig to lift/shift the boulder. As someone interested in engineering, I'd be curious. The photo suggests that maybe they wrapped it in a webbing, then pulled it off of him, perhaps with a winch.
That's the kind of object where if the other end of the winch is something like one of those fire trucks, you might drag the truck along the gravel more than move the boulder, even with the parking brake set on every wheel.
me_valentijn@scottmiller42 @ai6yr
They've got better photos and videos at https://www.facebook.com/clackamasfire/posts/pfbid02RxUmxLowEdg2hoVNWWrKtz9Mr5XxtgecEgJuFsHkdLSZbdZgNNGxumhTP3KgZNHnl
Looks like they squeezed in one wooden wedge at a time until they could get the patient out from under it. So just winching an inch at a time, and making sure it couldn't drop back down to the starting position.
@me_valentijn @ai6yr Thanks for that link! Using wedges as you go seems critical because as I was thinking about it, it'd be easy for the rock to tip up, you'd think you about freed the person, then suddenly the material under the boulder shifts and it falls back down and smashes the victim dead.
W6KME@me_valentijn @scottmiller42 @ai6yr It's more than just lifting the weight without risk of it falling back down...as the weight is removed, you have to be looking out for bleeding. With crush injuries the weight is often all that's keeping the blood on the inside.
I know several of you are pros at this; I only had one day-long course in lifting heavy objects off of trapped people, focusing on tilt-up construction, not boulders. I'm open to corrections!
@W6KME @scottmiller42 @ai6yr
Yeah, they have the patient blurred, but you can see an arm and a blood pressure cuff in various images. Wouldn't be surprised if there was other equipment in the blur as well.
Yeah, they have the patient blurred, but you can see an arm and a blood pressure cuff in various images. Wouldn't be surprised if there was other equipment in the blur as well.
@me_valentijn @scottmiller42 @ai6yr
My one day was a disaster also...group of four trainees. When I was getting my turns with the dummy under the slabs, the other three were supposed to be managing the lifting and cribbing, and they weren't. So I was yelling orders at them while trying to pass the class while also trying to avoid being crushed by these morons as they repeatedly dropped the slab.
Teamwork is a lot of fun, really.
@MsMerope @me_valentijn @scottmiller42 @ai6yr It should be easy, right? But some people simply can't understand working together.
@W6KME @MsMerope @me_valentijn @ai6yr I’m sure field rescue is hard, and I’d be incompetent. Thinking & acting quickly under pressure is not my forte. Ruminating on a challenging problem that takes days of thought is more my thing.
That said one skill doing IT at very large company has taught me: you can’t do your own job if you are double-checking everyone else. Maybe a team lead, but in cases like this, it’s probably more down to picking the people who can be depended upon.
@scottmiller42 @MsMerope @me_valentijn @ai6yr Absolutely correct. And at least I learned that day that several coworkers were useless in an emergency. That was good to know-this was just a couple of months before the Northridge quake when we had several large facilities full of collapsed equipment and walls, all surrounded by hazmat.
@scottmiller42 @MsMerope @me_valentijn @ai6yr Since I'm going on and on I may as well keep going...ALL of the emergency training I got, including EMT, was to satisfy my company's legal needs to do things like have an EMT on site. It was never intended that I would be working regularly with those skills, and in fact I never have. I prefer to say I know about emergency skills rather than say I have those skills.
That said, I do find it easy to deal with emergencies, and save the stress for later.
@W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn @ai6yr
yeah, it's amazing how people actually react to chaos.
We've got a volunteer who can regurgitate all the medical hows, whys, and wherefores - but every time I've been at an event with them where the 🩸 hits the pavement? They freeze up.
and trauma is mostly what we deal with.
Jim Hubbell@MsMerope @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn @ai6yr
Mom went all the way through nurses training only to discover she fainted in an operating room. She was much happier as a librarian.
Mom went all the way through nurses training only to discover she fainted in an operating room. She was much happier as a librarian.
@MsMerope @Dougfir @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn I had run into someone who had gotten a certification and training as an X-ray technician, spending a lot of money and time on it. Then, he got a job, and quit the first week realizing he couldn't stomach dealing with all the folks who were mangled and/or in very serious condition from the ER... never had any idea he'd have to deal with that. He was not prepared for that!
@ai6yr @Dougfir @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn
blood I can deal with - it's those other bodily fluids I can't deal with
@MsMerope @ai6yr @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn
Gloves and vaccines are your friends.
Fun story. When our youngest was ready to be born C-section, the doctor allowed me to be in the operating room. I was all scrubbed and gowned. When the scalpel first pressed into my wife, I turned green and had to sit on a handy stool. I carefully looked only at my wife's face until they pulled the baby out. Then, for the next quite a while, I was able to watch everything the doctors did to sew her back up.
Since then, other people's blood and fluids don't bother me.
Gloves and vaccines are your friends.
Fun story. When our youngest was ready to be born C-section, the doctor allowed me to be in the operating room. I was all scrubbed and gowned. When the scalpel first pressed into my wife, I turned green and had to sit on a handy stool. I carefully looked only at my wife's face until they pulled the baby out. Then, for the next quite a while, I was able to watch everything the doctors did to sew her back up.
Since then, other people's blood and fluids don't bother me.
@Dougfir @ai6yr @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn
nah, it's the SMELL
my gag reflexes are a little too sensitive to stinkiness - hence my issue with 2nd hand smoke.
I'm like Radar - but for fumes. 🙄 🤪
@MsMerope @ai6yr @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn
One of the PVFD paramedics taught us about Vicks Vaporub.
In my advancing years, I am much less sensitive to odors.
One of the PVFD paramedics taught us about Vicks Vaporub.
In my advancing years, I am much less sensitive to odors.
@Dougfir @ai6yr @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn
lol yeah, I use that here when the 2nd hand smoke is bad but I really want the windows open. surgical mask with vapo rub and all the ai purifiers running full tilt
Paul_IPv6@Dougfir @MsMerope @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn @ai6yr
i was all set to go into pharmacy like my dad and grandfather until i found out you had to cut open dead animals in school.
in middle school biology, when we were supposed to dissect a worm, i brought in a note that i was a conscientious objector.
Lauren Weinstein@paul_ipv6 @Dougfir @MsMerope @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn @ai6yr At one time I seriously wanted to be a vet. But I couldn't handle the dissections, formaldehyde, etc. I still sometimes regret this.
Birdhouse in Your [Redacted]@lauren @paul_ipv6 @Dougfir @MsMerope @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn @ai6yr reminds me of animal tech, we were warned up front that of the student cohort there was a good chance 2-3 of us would develop a new allergy to the species we wanted to work with by the time we were qualified to do so (or by a few years into the job).
We all wore n95s to work every day (best known prevention, as the phenomenon is caused by constant daily inhalation of tiny particles) and luckily it never happened to anyone I knew. But it does happen a lot in that career
Elyse M Grasso@coolandnormal @lauren @paul_ipv6 @Dougfir @MsMerope @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn @ai6yr When I was in library school we were warned that some archival work can be a short career because people get sensitized to some of the stuff that people rave about as 'the smell of old books'. Precautions were advised, especially if you were going to be dealing with something like 200 year old municipal records that had been through a couple of floods.
@ai6yr @coolandnormal @lauren @paul_ipv6 @Dougfir @MsMerope @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn Yup. Archival collections, especially if they were established before climate control was a thing, can be pretty bad. The floods sped up the problems but are not really required for general ickiness in books and papers that are decades old.
Even before you get into things like Victorian bindings that used arsenic dyes. Never handle a really old book with green binding with your bare hands...
Even before you get into things like Victorian bindings that used arsenic dyes. Never handle a really old book with green binding with your bare hands...
@ElyseMGrasso @coolandnormal @lauren @paul_ipv6 @Dougfir @MsMerope @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn ARSENIC?!??! Yikes
@ElyseMGrasso @coolandnormal @lauren @paul_ipv6 @Dougfir @MsMerope @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn Well, goes into the category of "brightly colored stuff from 1850 to 1940 must mean it's toxic" lol
@ai6yr @ElyseMGrasso @coolandnormal @lauren @Dougfir @MsMerope @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn
radium! the miracle cosmetic! belladonna! makes your cheeks rosy!
there was a murder mystery (can't remember the episode) where a green book was used to kill someone due to the arsenic.
@ai6yr @ElyseMGrasso @coolandnormal @lauren @paul_ipv6 @Dougfir @MsMerope @W6KME @me_valentijn Proto industrialized people just did all kinds of crazy crap.
Did you know that when I was a child, they routinely added lead to gasoline? On purpose? And not just a wee dram, but EPA estimates 200,000 tons per year [1].
Tons per year.
[1] https://www.epa.gov/archive/epa/aboutepa/epa-requires-phase-out-lead-all-grades-gasoline.html
@ai6yr @ElyseMGrasso @coolandnormal @lauren @paul_ipv6 @Dougfir @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn
well yeah, in dress making? you have to have something to go with the old lace....
🚪 yeah, I'll show myself out...
Keen
BekahI made it through the worm and frog (reg Bio) and reluctantly survived the cat (AP Bio). it was fine until we had to open the skull (and the later days of smell). That was my limit for “animal I actually have as a pet”.
Chris L@paul_ipv6 @Dougfir @MsMerope @W6KME @scottmiller42 @me_valentijn @ai6yr I made it till the cat in AP Bio then I dropped the class. I also feel very queasy around blood and stuff, so unlike many in my family I was never tempted to do anything medical but I loved evolutionary theory and ecosystems theory, predator prey equations etc.
@jayalane @paul_ipv6 @Dougfir @MsMerope @W6KME @scottmiller42 @ai6yr
We did fetal pigs, in Hawaii. There was nowhere to store them prior to dissection, so they sat in the sweltering classroom's sinks for several days. They were nicely formaldehyded of course, but the chemical stench gave me a headache, and the meaty overtones probably didn't help.
By the time dissection day rolled around, I stayed home sick 😂
Cy@W6KME @me_valentijn @scottmiller42 @ai6yr
totally agree.
@MsMerope @W6KME @me_valentijn @scottmiller42 LOL I am not very good at working with other people. Short term, yes. Long term, no. 🤪
@ai6yr @W6KME @me_valentijn @scottmiller42
Yes, I'm at the point right now where I am purposefully avoiding some volunteers. I even told Capt that the other day.
I'm concerned I will tell these people to "GO AWAY! You are a hindrance not a help!!"
Cristobal
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