Mastodawn

KDE May 13

@sovtechfund

The funds are earmarked for the following tasks:

* Improving KDE Plasma & KDE Linux QA Infrastructure

* Improving KDE Plasma’s Recoverability Mechanisms

* Implementing Factory Reset Functionality for KDE Linux

* Improving Security Infrastructure for Organisational Usage across KDE Plasma

* Improving Data Backup and Restore Systems

* Strengthening Configuration Management as Core Desktop Infrastructure

* Improving Network Shares Experience

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KDE May 13

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* Building KDE PIM QA Infrastructure and an End-to-End Testing for IMAP4 and WebDAV

* Supporting IMAP4rev2

* Supporting WebDAV Push Notifications

* Standardising Account Configuration

* Improving KDE PIM Suite Desktop Integration with Flatpak-Based Delivery

@kde any chance we see some of that go to online drives (o365/google)?

No. Investing time, resources and money into supporting closed source platforms controlled by big tech enterprises is in direct opposition with the goals of digital sovereignty.

@kde well... i do agree with that statement as is. but the world isn't just black and white 😉

Look at the name of the organization doing the investing, please.

Peloria May 14

@kde @r3pek @sovtechfund is a more native, onedrive-like integration with selfhosted services possible? Like @OpenCloud or others (i dont know)

@peloria @r3pek @sovtechfund @OpenCloud

KDE May 14

The Sovereign Tech Funds investment may not be used to develop technologies which would help interface with platforms that would hamper your sovereignty. The clue is in the name of the entity doing the investing.

That said, that the Sovereign Tech Fund is financing some tasks, does not mean KDE will not carry out other tasks, even within the same projects as those being funded elsewhere.

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@peloria @r3pek @sovtechfund @OpenCloud

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The community decides what it wants to do, and, if some devs want to and can support onedrive, they will do that. It won't be funded by this investment, but not having funding has not stopped any determined KDE developers before!

In fact, there seems to be one dev working on this matter

https://invent.kde.org/bernardogn/kio-onedrive

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We don't know how well that works.

Please talk to the dev.

Also remember that the best way to help is by supporting the project. You can see the different ways you can do that here:

https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved

And, no, not everything involves coding.

Get Involved - KDE Community Wiki

@r3pek @kde @sovtechfund Try Nextcloud if you miss clouddrives, it functions impeccably! IMO much better control than onedrive with .nextcloudingore

@eskealler I do use it 😉 but even that one needs some love (not the NC client, the integration)

@r3pek @kde @sovtechfund And by integration you mean document collaboration? That the only feature I am missing from o365, not that it was working great there...

@eskealler no. was more of "Drives being available on Dolphin" for example. It's possible to configure the online accounts, but the "FS integration" kinda lacks.

@r3pek @kde @sovtechfund Drives being available on Dolphin... You mean the specific funtionality of having nextcloud show as a mounted drive, not mirroring files to your local drive?

@eskealler yep. it probably works (because it shows there), but even with an online account setup it still asks me for a password on dolphin (and i don't wanna give it an App Password)

@r3pek @kde @sovtechfund Having read up on your issue now I think I get it! To paraphrase your request: if KDE get this grant money to fix core infrastructure, please use some of it to rewrite the Online Accounts system so Dolphin can finally mount Nextcloud drives as smoothly as GNOME does. I'm not deep into it but something like the work done by Nicholas Fella https://invent.kde.org/system/konlineaccounts?

@eskealler yep 😉 didn't even knew there was a rewrite. Maybe that would bring more plug-ins/integrations (you know, as much as I don't like o365/drive, enterprise entities do used them, but that's another conversation on itself)

@r3pek @kde @sovtechfund

I will try it out, not having MS support at the moment fine by me. I think the argument for MS support is there, specifically for allowing migration.

@eskealler I think that that it's biggest "issue". We all want to migrate to open standards and all, but the data still lives on the "old" places 😅 (again, specially on the enterprise world)

@r3pek @eskealler @sovtechfund

KDE May 13

Stuff like NC will be covered.

To be clear, it does not mean KDE will not make efforts to support people using Google's and MS's services, just that this will not be covered by the current investment.

@kde Yeah of course. I kinda assumed that the NC (example) would be included that's why I asked about the other ones. (the grey area that is kinda common between all)

@eskealler @sovtechfund

Julius Schwartzenberg - Юліус May 13

@r3pek @kde @sovtechfund if you manage to log in to MS 365 with Konqueror and open OneDrive there, you can replace `https` with `webdavs` in the URL bar and it'll give you the folder view.

I don't think there is any other environment where this works as smoothly as KDE.

(This all relies on WebDAV being able to use the cookie from the original login process.)

@jschwart not wanting to "bash" on KDE, but have you tried gnome? go to online accounts -> enter your credentials -> stuff is available. 🤷‍♂️

Julius Schwartzenberg - Юліус May 13

@r3pek @kde @sovtechfund I tried this in the past and that did not really work, but I'll try that again when I have the opportunity. (My corporate managed laptop is Ubuntu with Gnome, so I can try this. KDE Plasma is on my private devices.)
Thanks for letting know!!

Sovereign Tech Agency May 13

@kde We are very much looking forward to following the progress on your work!

☃️karolherbst☃️May 13

@sovtechfund @kde We (as in Freedesktop) should probably also apply for funding at some point.

I was thinking about some cross Desktop accessibility work could fit the bill.

Or trying to get off gitlab/rework our CI infrastructure.

But.. I don't think anybody of us has any experience with applying for grants in general, so it's a bit scary.

Akseli May 13

@karolherbst @sovtechfund @kde im sure someone from kde side is willing to help, we're all in this together after all :)

Maltimore May 13

@sovtechfund @kde money very well spent, this made my day :)

Dominik Kummer May 13

@kde @sovtechfund great news! As tax money is reallocated here, I'd expect more transparency relating architectural decision making in conjunction with infrastructure metabolism, hardware ownership, network topology, operational locality. This also relates to release cycles: for example Rolling Immutable + Debug Nudging = Create Dev Minijobs.
KDE Eco promise hopefully goes beyond end user hardware, as I'd consider it green washing.

boredsquirrel May 21

@kde
@sovtechfund

Fantastic! I have recently tried to mount a samba share and a webdav mount inside KDE.

The #samba share didn't really work at all, most importantly it is not permanently mounted afaik, and the usability is bad. Adding that to the other setup pagr would make sense?

#WebDAV (for unidirectional Nextcloud backups) needs presets for easy setup, and also didn't work at all, while it works well with #DAVx5 on Android.

These are certainly things worth improving!

I would also like to switch to #Merkuro calendar (#CalDav and #ICAL) and maybe have a nice working contact system? Idk, @thunderbird kind of does it's own thing which works, and global contacts aren't really important outside of phones (where they are also extremely problematic from a privacy perspective), so this is way less important than maybe envisioned in the past.

I would love #Nextcloud integration without running an #Electron app, but I suppose that is a dream for the future.

I love Plasma and wouldn't want to switch! Just a few little things here and there (like the panel crashing constantly after some time lol).

Evan Prodromou May 13

@kde @sovtechfund awesome!

it's me, Alex.May 13

@kde @sovtechfund really great news!

retrimental May 13

@kde @sovtechfund
I don't use KDE, but good on you. Make your users proud

Blort™ 🐀Ⓥ🥋☣️May 13

Awesome! All of it is good and useful. I'll admit though that the one that's sexiest to me is the KDE Linux stuff (writing from that venerable distro on my laptop right now 😎 Fund #KDELinux