Chris Linstid
Spring Jo 🥚 
🍀My dad started quoting this and now I found the original
the elder sea@ShadowJonathan
It appears to be said by author Joanna Maciejewska.
Edit ty to @kjv
@AuthorJMac
Rachel Rawlings
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Maddie@ShadowJonathan personally i think to be human is to do all of those things. if you just make art and write all day, you'll get really bored and burnt out from it. sometimes you just have to do crap you don't like just to make doing things you do like seem more fun.
Huntn00@mjdxp @ShadowJonathan if you consider the idea of the Socialist Utopia (StarTrek) in theory, the idea is that we use automation to do the mundane work, which frees up people to explore their potential.
The Capitalist system is contrary, instead using automation to disenfranchise people for profit, competition trumps the reality.
The disconnect is that capitalism becomes the agent for market degradation and eventual collapse as viable customers vanish.
The Capitalist system is contrary, instead using automation to disenfranchise people for profit, competition trumps the reality.
The disconnect is that capitalism becomes the agent for market degradation and eventual collapse as viable customers vanish.
Enema Cowboy@ShadowJonathan
AI can't even eliminate spam phone calls, texts, and emails.
AI can't even eliminate spam phone calls, texts, and emails.
@Enema_Cowboy @ShadowJonathan AI is not being implemented properly. All motivation is for Corpo profits, not for making this a better place for people to live. Hence it’s rushed, being used to replace people, do their jobs, disenfranchise them for profit, and that’s overall why it sucks.
Technology is good if developed smartly, bad if it’s employed to greedily, unwittingly tear down markets, plus the environmental load of competing data centers.
#TheCapitalistEndGame
Technology is good if developed smartly, bad if it’s employed to greedily, unwittingly tear down markets, plus the environmental load of competing data centers.
#TheCapitalistEndGame
Lord Caramac the Clueless, KSC@ShadowJonathan I want AI to make its own art, weird, outlandish, incomprehensible, alien.
@LordCaramac @ShadowJonathan …and not be used to replace humans livelihood’s for $$$. There’s no viable plan right now. It’s capitalism on a feeding frenzy.
@Huntn00 @ShadowJonathan Capitalism is almost over. We have exceeded the global growth limits, industries all over the planet will shrink no matter what. What we see now is the oligarchs grabbing as much infrastructure as possible before the economy collapses, they want to become the new feudal lords in the coming feudalism.
@LordCaramac @Huntn00 lmao no, there's more resources to be had, i think capitalism hasn't even started to extract things properly yet, its just that we're finally getting the effects somewhat properly fronted for everyone to see
@ShadowJonathan @Huntn00 The bottleneck is the biosphere. The bottleneck is the fact that we are part of the fauna of this planet, we need to eat, and we need all kinds of plant materials like wood, but the biosphere is degrading, species are dying, entire landscapes are turned into barren deserts by our industrial activities like mining other types of raw material extraction. We're running out of planet, we're running out of life. If we can't rebuild our entire real economy all across the globe in such a manner that it works with the natural ecosystems instead of against them, the biosphere will degrade to the point where billions will die, possibly leading to our extinction and that of all other large vertebrates.
And no technology can help with that. Growth is over, the economy will shrink dramatically one way or another.
And no technology can help with that. Growth is over, the economy will shrink dramatically one way or another.
@LordCaramac @ShadowJonathan
Humans seem to be or are very susceptible to the self-damaging gathering of wealth syndrome. iI’s very possible that 8b even 4b people maybe too much to run a sustainable planet, based on current tech on a for-profit planet. Let’s take some lessons from bacteria that grows until it collapses and rein ourselves in, before Gaia does it for us.🤔
Humans seem to be or are very susceptible to the self-damaging gathering of wealth syndrome. iI’s very possible that 8b even 4b people maybe too much to run a sustainable planet, based on current tech on a for-profit planet. Let’s take some lessons from bacteria that grows until it collapses and rein ourselves in, before Gaia does it for us.🤔
@Huntn00 @ShadowJonathan The problem is that capitalism only works as long as the economy is growing, but it can't do that any longer. There are several types of economies that can still work even without any net growth, like feudalism or some kinds of socialism or tribal gift economies.
@LordCaramac @ShadowJonathan You’re right, the question becomes do the sheep do something now to thwart the plan? Billionaires are reported as having bunkers prepared and ready to go, which might easily include anti-mob defenses, not that they could withstand a big enough mob. They possibly think the sheep are unworthy of such assaults. 🤔
@Huntn00 @ShadowJonathan I've got a much better idea. When the rich retreat into their bunkers, we just dump a few thousand tonnes of rocks upon their bunker entrances and exits so they can just rot in there.
KChernecky For Democracy
HannibalI personally think we should let AI also do at least some of the thinking work too . Like humans are the philosophers and AI serves to enhance our passive intelligence.
Our human brains struggling with doing basic calculus we need an higher form of assistance to help our find solutions in the more advanced fields of physics and science.
Neville Park@aditya14 @ShadowJonathan former philosophy major here and also someone who has recently been observing what ordinary people think they are "accomplishing" in "physics" with "AI":
no.
trust me on this.
no.
@nev @ShadowJonathan
Hi! CS major here and I am talking about the upcoming phases of AI like AGI and ASI not the current ANI. Your statement only hold true for ANI.
Hi! CS major here and I am talking about the upcoming phases of AI like AGI and ASI not the current ANI. Your statement only hold true for ANI.
@aditya14 @ShadowJonathan oh I see
(I think AGI/ASI is pure science fiction, but we'll have to agree to disagree on that one)
Zalasur 🐸🇺🇦"Our brains are struggling with basic calculus"
No.
"we need an higher form of assistance to help our find solutions in the more advanced fields of physics and science."
Again, no.
Imma be honest mate. It takes me roughly 5 minutes to solve a non-subtitution integral. 😅
@zalasur @aditya14 @ShadowJonathan That’s the sales pitch for squandering so much natural resources. What makes it 100x worse are all the competing data centers duplicating efforts so someone wins the big prize. 😐
ResunaLarge language models are not "AI" in the sense that I think you're implying, and don't do any thinking.
@resuna @ShadowJonathan
I agree currently they are not but we are still in a development phrase.
We are currently in the ANI phrase. I am talking about the AGI or ASI phrase.
They are not even potentially "AI" in that sense. They are not "narrow" AI, they are not systems that perform reasoning at all. They are a complete dead-end that has sucked all the oxygen out of the room.
We don't know how to build "ANI" yet. Worse, it's not even seriously being worked on.
CJPaloma says Happy PrideBrand new account... hmmmmm.
feeling the need to comment on the supposed benefits of letting AI "think" for people..
Newsflash: AI doesn't think, it generates plausible sounding words.
MusiqueNow ✡️ 🇵🇸 🌍
Jordan@ShadowJonathan I hadn't heard this quote directly but came up with a similar one a while back.. something like, "Why is AI generating art and music while I'm still stuck doing the fucking dishes?"
Laus🐜
@ShadowJonathan I would even shorten that to a grammatically questionable "I want … not … AI …"
Salvo@ShadowJonathan @briankrebs
I think that IBM and Jim Henson said it earlier.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_IZw2CoYztk
As interpreted by B(if)tek.
"Paperwork Explosion"
@iveyline@ShadowJonathan Excellent.
Schroedingers_Cat@ShadowJonathan Totally agree, of course. But it always makes me consider why this is the way things have gone.
And it is because making art and writing is easy. Sorry - bear with me a moment. Making GOOD art and writing is really really difficult. But then it doesn't do that. I churns out the usual mass-market crap.
Some of it is the fault of us, the consumers, for buying this crap, and wanting more of it. And not being more discerning and insisting on quality.
But we buy crappy chart music, crappy Dan Brown and E L James novels and crappy Kincade pictures.
Kai Bernau@ShadowJonathan May I recommend the extra minute to find a less cropped version of the picture by which this quote might be attributed to @AuthorJMac
Joanna Maciejewska@kai @[email protected] And I can offer even less "cropped" original:
https://indiepocalypse.social/@AuthorJMac/112178826967890119
https://indiepocalypse.social/@AuthorJMac/112178826967890119
@AuthorJMac thank you Joanna!
@kai No, thank you. I appreciate you taking time to attribute it to me.
@kai I just realized that I should have emphasized the "you" part somehow, otherwise it might have come across as some kind of "leave me alone." 😅 I hope the context prevented it, though.
@AuthorJMac I got it, no worries. But through the magic of editable posts there is still a chance ;-)
@kai Oh, yeah! I totally forgot about that.
I am Jack's Found 404The new Behind the Bastards podcast on "AI" as an historical bastard is 👍👍👍
They mention that they go after art & writing because they're the 2 most common things people share on the internet, and thus the best for convincing regular people that it's "doing something"...
Very interesting analysis of the hype & marketing of shatbots [sic], worth the listen!