Nobody understands the point of hybrid cars

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@TechConnectify It's fun when I get to tell people my Accord hybrid has no transmission.
@TechConnectify 55 minutes of something i still don't understand (and definitely would never buy, unlike pure electric)? Must see!

@TechConnectify "I needed to floor it to get around that truck"

Sounds to me like something that indicators could* have communicated to the driver in the other lane during the time the lights were red?!?

* Not saying you didn't have the indicators on - you're not driving a BMW - but I find it so frustrating when people who find themselves in the wrong lane and don't indicate to the people behind them "hey, please let me pull over into your lane" during red and pull over just as you accelerate

@pseyfert @TechConnectify I think you haven’t been driving much around in the US. fellow drivers there are often inattentive and/or uncooperative

@uint8_t
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✓ i haven't been driving much
✓ i haven't been driving in the US

maybe my frustration about the not-use of indicators also comes from roundabouts (i hear you don't have them as much) where your ability to enter depends on leavers' use of indicators and you keep thinking "oh, i could've gone now had i known that one was about to leave" "i'm wasting my time here because flipping that lever is too much of a burden for some drivers".

@pseyfert we have plenty of roundabouts in Germany!
@uint8_t my bad, from your prev post I jumped to the conclusion you're in the US 🤦‍♂️
@pseyfert @uint8_t honestly, in so much of the US, roundabouts are so new that the vast majority of drivers have never actually been trained on how to use them, so we figure out how to use them based on context clues and signage at the roundabout when we arrive at the roundabout. IIRC my state's handbook for drivers 20 years ago didn't even mention roundabouts. (the current version does, and says to signal to exit.)

I think the only time I've seen anyone other than myself do it is when the first exit is being taken (so at that point it just looks like a normal right turn).

and I've never actually heard of "signal to tell a driver that you want them to let you into their lane when the light goes green" as a thing in the US. I'd even think of rolling down my window and verbally asking to be let in, before I'd think of that.

@pseyfert could have asked permission.

Whether the other driver gets the message plus acquiesces to the request is a different matter.

@TechConnectify one of the only good things ford has done is used toyotas tech in their phev escape
@TechConnectify clickbait title is a hard pass.
@TechConnectify Toyota isn't perfect but I'm glad I picked a hybrid from them after my last vehicle died.
@TechConnectify I gotta say, most Youtube vids I come across don't need to be videos, I can just put them on in the background and listen to them while I do other things. Yours I actually have to block out some time to sit down and watch because you really make excellent use of visuals and data to educate your audience. I actually prefer this over short form video though - please keep doing what you're doing! 
@faoluin @TechConnectify This! And another thing: For non-native speakers like me, your videos are very easy to understand, even without subtitles. Thank you so much for your fact-based, scientific dedication.

@TechConnectify pointless aside: on the way to the in-laws we cross a "pass" (700m above sea level going down to sea level), and braking on the way down generates more energy than fits in the hybrid's battery.

So, – I am that kind of nerd – I plug the phones into the car at the top to charge them and not let the energy go to waste. We still arrive at the bottom with a full car battery and 10% more charge in the phones (I believe limited by the power output of the car's USB-C receptacle)

@pseyfert I don’t think the 10 Wh that go into the phones make much difference… hybrids don’t really make sense since BEVs are a thing. I’d argue that even without the possibility to home charge (today) go for a bev and try to organize home charging and/or lobby for affordable public ac charging. These days even CCS is cheaper than petrol
@uint8_t pff.
we're doing <7000km/yr and just got the thing, i wouldn't mind keeping it till it falls apart.
but looking around the neighborhood: still large fraction golf4-era diesel engines, parked on owned or rented garage spots (220V AC in easy reach). good part permanently parked Mon-Fri and gone on weekends (i.e. not used for commuting).
government would pay for installing a DC charger for people who get a BEV and have private parking.
@uint8_t means, i think charging isn't a problem. (given the low number of BEV, sadly i don't expect many fast charging stations any time soon, i wouldn't need one closer than 1 charge away). but … i think what's holding people here back from buying BEV is they're not buying a new vehicle in the first place (no abwrackprämie) AND i heard people debate "our car market always copied what germany did first, and they're reverting the verbrenner-aus, so we'll be fine with ICE for a few more decades"
@pseyfert there already is a very comprehensive fast charger network. and 75% of all new cars registered in Germany are internal combustion — it’s not like people are buying used ICEs and new BEVs. Idk what has to change, fuel price could go up a bit more for one…
@TechConnectify i am glad you pointed out that getting the plug in option probably would cost me fuel economy. It’s really easy to kick myself for buying the base prius instead of the base plug in for another $5000 or so, but negotiating getting a plug at my apartment might have just not even been worth it for my regular habits.
@TechConnectify is your cruise control as bad for fuel economy as my prius? the adaptive cruise is lovely from a user experience standpoint but it costs me about 5 mpg by having some really frustrating unoptimized behaviors
@timmy @TechConnectify not a Prius but it's bad in my Insight too. Fine when following someone but if they switch lanes expect the car to fucking floor it even if there's only 0.1 mph to make up
@TechConnectify Are you mirrored to some #PeerTube instance as well? Would be nice to federate this content to ours
@TechConnectify as a driver of a 2007 Prius…this clarified several things for me about how the vehicle makes the choices it makes, thank you!
@TechConnectify The captions at the end didn't have the thing! 😱

@TechConnectify Also, +1000 on the Connextras video re minivans (and expand on that with wagons).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEruzTKteRE

Get over yourself. Embrace the minivan.

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@qlp @TechConnectify Most SUVs are just a crappier mini van with less storage and seating.

@Luna @TechConnectify Absolutely agreed. I'm a bit more of a wagon person which is better packaged than most crossovers and minivans up that even more.

Who needs overly complicated gullwing doors when the manual or electric sliding doors are just more simple and elegant?

@qlp @TechConnectify Twenty years ago I got over myself and bought a minivan. Hands down the best people and stuff mover in a civilized environment.

So when our beloved 2005 Honda Odyssey died we were going to get another minivan. I am also over ICE vehicles so we ended up with the only option, an ID.Buzz.

Its biggest downside is the floor height, which has to be more like an SUV to accommodate the battery pack. But wow, can you pack a lot of stuff into it! Also, everyone smiles when they see it.

@thousandleaves @TechConnectify Yeah, I think there'll have to be a bit of a compromise when it comes to EV minivans or more commercial/Euro-style MPVs/vans like the Kia PV5 and the the ID. Buzz.

I did consider the ID. Buzz for a little bit, since I really do live the styling, but I just couldn't with the VW controls/infotainment system. I still ogle at them I see them driving around.

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Location issues are weird, eh?

"...a shockingly consistent 34 miles per gallon..." from a 2021 hybrid? And that's 50% more range than its predecessor...?

But ... it's worse than most plain ICEs since about 1990, equal to my 1987 Citroen, long gone, worse than my current crappy old (2005) Renault (c.45mpg in Summer, maybe 42 in Winter, until you do long journeys when it can get up to 59 with a tailwind).

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(Both manual transmission btw.)

@electropict @TechConnectify In America we don't talk about things like that. We Europeans and Americans also don't talk about how big cars have gotten in the last 30-40 years. The Europeans at least offer new models that are smaller but in the states its a big nope.

Modern VW Polo's are bigger than MK 1 and 2 Golf's

I posted my big rant about this on Lemmy

@electropict Given the cars you've just mentioned, remember that the US gallon is smaller than an Imperial gallon by a pretty large margin.

@TechConnectify

I wasn't sure but have checked. Good point.

So 34mpg(US) = 40.8mpg(IMP)?

It beats the 1987 Citroen, certainly. I note later you mention that it's a 2.5L engine; presumably that's a part of why it's still behind the 16-year-older Renault ICE. (Which is also what you're calling a minivan, though that's not how I'm used to the word being applied.)

Other than the slightly shocking realisation that hybrids may be heavier on the juice than I'd expect, nice video btw. 🙂

@electropict @TechConnectify Is the Renault a diesel? Diesel have "better" consumption than gas.

Also, the way you drive it and the vehicle mass are important. Compare the Prius to a gas Renault Scenic, and drive it the optimal way, the Prius should be better (for the same year-model. Cars got bigger on both size since their first generation…).

@electropict It's also heavier on the juice because it's a minivan. I was getting 40-45 mpg in a Prius (depending on weather mostly), which is smaller and more aerodynamic than a Sienna.
@electropict @TechConnectify Hybrids want more displacement if possible. GM authored a few papers in the Volt1 era about how a hybrid works best (highest fuel economy) with the engine just below it's power band putting out maximum torque.

@TechConnectify I would love to know how you figure this stuff out.

If I just type "what are the trade-offs of a hybrid engine?" into Google, I could never arrive at the picture you present.

(I don't think I could have, even before the current infestation of AI slop results. I just don't know how to get started on answering a deep question in a domain I'm not familiar with).

From your other videos I know you're good at reading patents to figure out how stuff works, but this goes beyond that.

@sbrudenell In this case, it's genuinely because I think about energy a lot and what consumes it in what processes.

Understanding the inefficiencies of things helps identify opportunities. Then when you look at what engineers are doing to leverage those opportunities, you can piece together the details.

@TechConnectify @sbrudenell 💛⚡️
The conversion efficiency is also why coasting is better than regenerative braking. it’s wild that hypermiling in a BEV and in a classic ICE is still basically the same strategy (use least amount of torque, be it positive or negative)
@TechConnectify when you said "I made this" and the thumbnail had a big arrow pointing to part of the car my first thought was that you do make interesting props for your videos and this isn't beyond my understanding of your capabilities it certainly seems to be the most complex piece you will have built. Then I realize you meant that you made the video.
@TechConnectify Loved the extras video advocating for minivans! I LOVED the vans I've owned for all the reasons you mentioned. They can often haul FULL SHEETS of plywood easily!
@taffypeppers yeah @TechConnectify would make a great minivan salesman 😄
@TechConnectify I thought the point of hybrid cars is to steal government subsidies which were meant for actual EVs by making a fossil fuel powered car cosplay as a EV.
@TechConnectify watching A-Team atm, def watching this after Hannibal's plan comes together.

@TechConnectify This is a terrific video explaining for me all sorts of things I didn't even know I didn't know!

Excellent work!

@TechConnectify Many thanks! I've really learned something, and I'm only half-way through. Glad to know that hybrid cars aren't as bad as I thought. (But I still don't like driving them.)
@TechConnectify I'm going to have to talk some people and admit just how wrong I was.
@TechConnectify as someone who just went full electric and and loves it but was harassed to go hybrid because range or something stupid... I think I'll find this very interesting. 😊
@TechConnectify Great job! special thanks for explainig the issues of the series hybrid systems in cars. Thanks.
@TechConnectify Having owned a plug in hybrid Volt I'd say they're great.
@TechConnectify and you did a very good job
@TechConnectify great video! May I ask what device you used to grab and plot the measurements?
@TechConnectify
I would indeed recommend PHEVs (plug-in hybrids) mostly to people having a charging opportunity at home or at work. Else you run on fuel anyway with the small batteries most PHEVs have.

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On the other hand, I'm quite happy with my 80 kWh BEV (electric car) here in Germany (VW ID.3 / Golf like).

I actually start regretting a bit, spending that extra 6,000 EUR instead of just having the standard 60 kWh battery. I know many people getting along well with 60 kWh.

@TechConnectify
I've done trips with my BEV to France, Denmark and Sweden. And despite what some (who probably never tried it) say, there are more than enough charging stations here. (AC+DC)
(btw. it feels so good going trough the mountains with an BEV and recuperating energy each time going downhill 😁 )

I've even been around Spain with a 50 kWh Renault Zoe I rented there. And people even start shipping goods between Finnland and Turkey using fully electric trucks.
https://www.youtube.com/@elektrotrucker

Elektrotrucker

Ich bin Tobias und Berufskraftfahrer mit einem Elektrotruck im Fernverkehr. Begleitet mich und meinen Hund Krümelix auf der aufregenden Reise durch die batterie-elektrische Schwerlastlogistik. Viel Spaß!

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@TechConnectify
I wonder if the situation can be so much worse for Canada and the US. I would have guessed, that there are a lot chargers at least a couple of hundred kilometers near the coasts.

This website has a nice overview for the EU.
https://chargenow.com/web/en/cn-gb/map
(don't look at their prices, I use it only to locate stations, not to pay)

Is there a similar website for northern America?

P.S.
Thanks a lot for the enlightening Toyota HEV video!

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