Tim 🎮

Starting to properly look into an alternative to #Dropbox or #OneDrive. I'm currently paying AU$109/year ($9/month) for my home Office subscription which includes a terabyte of OD space. Dropbox is $184/year ($15/mo) for 2TB of space. I currently have about 100GB of data to house.

Looks like it costs about AU$80/month to put 100GB of data on a webhost in Australia.

Can anyone suggest somewhere priced in between that'd let me use NextCloud or similar? Boosts and suggestions welcome. #AskFedi

Apr 28 at 3:01amWeb
Show threadTim 🎮Apr 28
Looks like I'd be spoiled for choice if I was just looking to get away from US-based companies and would settle my data in Europe, but ideally it'd be as local as possible (setting up a microPC under a desk at my girlfriend's place may be the option I go with but a commercial operation with a financial plan - which is roughly the same longevity-inducing logic I use to choose Mastodon servers - would be preferable).
Show threadTim 🎮Apr 28

So the best I've spotted so far is Contabo, who will give me a Nextcloud-preconfigured VPS with 150gb of space for about AU$7.50/month, and they have a presence in Sydney: https://contabo.com/en-us/nextcloud-hosting/

I've literally never heard of these guys before, and all the cheap VPS places going all in on AI stuff gives me a bit of the ick, but otherwise that's actually a really attractive option so far.

Show threadTim 🎮Apr 28

I'm reading that Contabo have some performance and reliability issues, with people running websites and other apps complaining of downtime and slowness because of resource contention, because VPSes are oversold by definition.

But honestly? A few bucks a month to have another, automatically synchronised copy of my data a few hundred km away that's mostly available sounds fine to me, especially when I can still run a dedicated local client in addition to my own PC and laptop.

Show threadgamedevjeffApr 28
@timixretroplays I'm currently leaning towards carrying a raidz2 copy of my home backup in my backpack, as that would technically count as offsite. Seems slightly safer compared to VPS provider error/hw failure, and I/O will never suck.
Show thread(LTE_)Max 🏳️‍🌈 #eh23 📞58365d ago
@gamedevjeff @timixretroplays Resilio Sync or Syncthing are amazing for handling that p2p.
Show thread(LTE_)Max 🏳️‍🌈 #eh23 📞58365d ago
@timixretroplays I would not go for Contabo, Hetzner and Netcup are cheap enough but Contabo is a tier too cheap cutting corners.
Show threadMax NordlundApr 28

@timixretroplays me and my wife uses Filen, which is a German company, to stay in the EU. I think the price is OK from my own research, but since I live in the EU I didn't look elsewhere.

https://filen.io/r/fc82d270bbab80b6429c22058212944c

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Show threaddexternemrodMay 1

@nevonnen

@timixretroplays

Works flawless for me since several years!

Show threadNetuxApr 28
@timixretroplays mega.co.nz no affiliation with kim dotcom anymore. Reasonable price, close by for you.
Show threadPeter MarheineApr 28
@Netux @timixretroplays that doesn't seem to be true (for geography): https://mega.io/server-locations says they mostly store things in Europe, and https://mega.io/about says the head office is in Hungary. The .NZ seems more like a marketing ploy than anything else.
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Show threadTim 🎮Apr 28
@pmarheine @Netux can't say I can shake the impression of mega being used to share pirated stuff (literally what came to mind when I saw the suggestion) so especially if they don't actually host in AU/NZ it's not a serious option for me.
Show threadR FApr 28
@timixretroplays Koofr.eu? Got a referral code if you want. :)
Show threadErikApr 28
@timixretroplays could that be proton?
Show threadJake in the desertApr 28
@erikcats @timixretroplays my first thought was also Proton. But I have limited experience with their paid plans, etc.
Show threadPeter MarheineApr 28

@timixretroplays how much admin are you willing to do and does the company's location matter, or just data location?

You could spin up Nextcloud on a DigitalOcean VM with Spaces object storage (or other hosts probably) in an Australian datacenter for less than US$20 per month, which seems like a decent option depending on what exactly you want.

If you're looking to move a lot of data then the egress fees for Spaces could be an issue (1¢/GB after the first TB).

Show threadTim 🎮Apr 28

@pmarheine mostly data location - I'm not terribly worried about patriation, it's more that I want something closer because it'll be faster and less reliant on international links.

DigitalOcean raises some hackles for me as they've been the hosting source of some malicious nonsense I've dealt with in the past, but that gives me some things to consider.

Show threadPeter MarheineApr 28

@timixretroplays I know Vultr have very similar offerings and Aus presence, which may be palatable. But I suspect any general purpose host in that price range may have similar baggage to what DO have.

Oracle cloud is another option with generous free quota that would probably satisfy all of your needs, but Oracle is its own kind of ick.

Show threadJustinApr 28

@timixretroplays
Host at home and use an dynamic DNS server, is one thought.

I think even cloudflare now has some options for this.

Show threadWintergreenApr 28

@timixretroplays

PCloud

Show threadMostafa Hussein OmarApr 28
@timixretroplays would #Syncthing be an option for you?
Show threadTim 🎮Apr 28
@moftasa that would probably work, it's been recommended to me before, but I'm specifically hoping to find an Australian based host I can sync to so it's backed up offsite but not too far away.
Show threadJohnApr 28
@timixretroplays IceDrive is based in Gibraltar and had dependable syncing when I tested it a couple years ago. Not sure how the pricing is in AU$.
Show threadLeszekApr 28
@timixretroplays +1 for @nextcloud . I replaced Dropbox and all office tools (documents, calendar, contacts, calls). I'm hosting at home, but you can easily use VPS. Setting it up and managing via @yunohost is flawless!
Show threadChristian AlderApr 28

@timixretroplays Might this be an option? Hetzner managed NextCloud server ; you can get 1TB for max 4.29 € (7 AUD) a month. Servers in Germany

https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/

EDIT: oops, More replies loaded after I posted this and I see you’ve been recommended this already and that you prefer something closer to home, sorry!

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Show threadMelroy van den BergApr 30
@timixretroplays I use nextcloud at home. Self hosted.
Show threadTim 🎮Apr 30
@melroy entirely at home, no 100% remote copy? You're not worried about what happens if something happens there? That's what I want to defend my data against.
Show threadMelroy van den BergMay 2

@timixretroplays OK yes I do make a copy (rsync) once a day. So my instance is fully at home running in my homelab.

And I have a small bananapi running (only ssh, only keys login no password) at another place where I store my backup. So I do have a remote backup in case of an emergency. This backup "server" I just at a place not too far away and just running in a closet hah. Since you're right and you need to think about 3-2-1 backup rule.

Show threadLuigi May 1

@timixretroplays
You best option is a mix, I use Contabo for many years without performance issues etc, if you know how to keep your Nextcloud up to date, go for it. But with small storage, because your big data storage will be at Backblaze using S3 bucket storage

https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/stable/admin_manual/configuration_files/external_storage/amazons3.html

https://www.backblaze.com/

Amazon S3 — Nextcloud latest Administration Manual latest documentation

Show threadTim 🎮May 1

@killua99 Backblaze look like good value too, but this post the other day gave me pause: https://infosec.exchange/@edwardk/116404767984827093

I guess it's a matter of trade-offs, there's nothing saying another cheap and cheerful provider won't suddenly go belly-up or do similarly sneaky things.

Show threadLuigi May 1

@timixretroplays
But, that's a way different implementation, S3 buckets is a storage option and they are still a good option imho, I use them with S3 bucket to backup my data with zerobyte.

I really don't know the drive cloud backups they did offered previously

Show threadPlögiMay 1

@timixretroplays Hetzner is offering 1TB of managed Nextcloud for 5,11€, which is pretty awesome.

Don't know about their international offers though.

https://www.hetzner.com/de/storage/storage-share/

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Show threadPhilippe 🇧🇪 🇪🇺May 1
@timixretroplays if you want only storage, I have Pcloud with lifetime plan.
There is Icedrive with lifetime plan.
Show threadPhilippe 🇧🇪 🇪🇺May 1
@timixretroplays I forgot to talk about filen.io and koofr
Show thread(LTE_)Max 🏳️‍🌈 #eh23 📞58365d ago

@timixretroplays

Very feature-rich Nextcloud including unlimited users for friends-/family:
https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/

Managed nextcloud: cheap cloud storage

Managed nextcloud by Hetzner: safe, cheap cloud storage. ✓ GDPR-compliant ✓ simple and custom ✓ 100 % green electricity

Show threadEdoardo Tenani5d ago
@timixretroplays would you consider a NAS at home? I've been happy with Synology for quite some years now. The upfront investment is higher. I spent ~700€ for the NAS and disks (2*6TB in RAID1 configuration) + 1 external disk for backup.
The Synology suite works and you can run Synchthing in a container (which rocks, being using it for more real time syncs where Synology Drive is too slow for my tastes).
Once every few months I backup all on the external disk that is stored in another location.
Not sure if this could work for you, but disks are pretty cheap below the 1tb size so your initial investment would be lower.