Mastodawn

Scott Hanzelka 1d ago

⚠️ Do not move your account to mastodon.cloud. If you know someone already on mastodon.cloud you might want to suggest they move to a different server.

-Mastodon.cloud's admin hasn't posted since Feb 2023
-There doesn't seem to be any moderation, really awful bigotry is still there months after being reported
-The server software is very outdated and full of unpatched security holes
-Because of all the above, many other servers have defederated mastodon.cloud

#MastodonCloud #FediBlock

Fedi.Tips Mar 30

p.s. If you want an easy way to discover reliable good servers, there are human-curated server lists at https://fedi.garden and https://joinmastodon.org/servers

All the servers listed on these sites have to comply with certain standards of technical reliability and moderation.

p.p.s. If you want help with moving there's a guide at https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-another-server

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Humphrey Archer Mar 30

ugh
I just moved there with my non-fiction accounts
This is so tiresome

Fedi.Tips Mar 30

Oh no, really sorry to hear 😞

Hopefully the human-curated server lists can help reduce this kind of situation happening to people.

Ari Sovijärvi Mar 30

@FediTips I'm genuinely surprised that it can still still survive in this zombie state. A lot of Wordpress and similar sites have pretty quickly attracted from the hosting or co-location company's interest after enough reports have been filed against it for objectionable concept or it just being a trojan payload sharing site.

Fedi.Tips Mar 30

I wonder if anyone has reported it to the providers higher up the chain? 🤔

There have been reports via Mastodon's own moderation tools but these have AFAIK all been ignored.

Ari Sovijärvi Mar 31

@FediTips I don't know, but generally when something web based gets pwned hard enough, sysadmins typically start to raise stink about it. If I spot port scanners or obvious stuff being run against the systems I maintain, I might fire an e-mail to their ISP's abuse address, depending on where they from. With China, Russia etc. I don't bother, US and Europe likely, the Nordics, very likely.

@apz @FediTips lmfao should take a look at catdon.life. It a couple years ago upgraded from v2.5.2 to what version it's currently on v2.7.0.. a release from Jan 2019. Hosts really don't seem to care seems like lol

Plutarch Mar 31

Just report them to Amazon, does that work?

https://www.whois.com/whois/pawoo.net

Name Servers:
ns-115.awsdns-14.com
ns-1162.awsdns-17.org
ns-1584.awsdns-06.co.uk
ns-862.awsdns-43.net

EDIT; oh, and Cloudflare, for mastodon.cloud, actually: https://www.whois.com/whois/mastodon.cloud

Name Servers:
cruz.ns.cloudflare.com
jake.ns.cloudflare.com

Whois pawoo.net

Whois Lookup for pawoo.net

Ari Sovijärvi Mar 31

@plutarch @FediTips Amazon doesn't give a fuck. I reported a huge botnet, got a reply that they could not verify the claim. I went through an internal contact I had to to escalate it. I heard that they basically had laughed at it on their internal chat, with the mentality being that I was some home hosting n00b who got scared when someone scanned them and that I shouldn't expose services unless I wanted them knocked all the time.

Just to bring some context, I set up my first public net connected services when these guys weren't not born yet and only reported it as a courtesy and only because it was relatively big botnet.

Plutarch Mar 31

Damn. How are Cloudflare (at looking into/dealing with abuse)? Asking because I expose my instance via Cloudflare Tunnel.

Lucky ✨1d ago

@plutarch @apz @FediTips I can't speak to their current policies but a few years ago there was an enormous attempt at getting them to take Kiwifarms seriously, which is a site for people to doxx mostly trans women and try to get them to kill themselves for laughs. They doubled down many, many times on continuing to provide them services.

Alison Meeks Mar 31

@apz @plutarch @FediTips
Let them burn! Good of you for trying to give them a courtesy heads up.

Ari Sovijärvi Mar 31

@Alison They found themselves on my personal "oops, I don't have the time to report their gaping security issue" list.

Wendroid 🇺🇦Mar 31

@apz @plutarch @FediTips There’s some notable phrase about pride before the fall… ?

Ari Sovijärvi Mar 31

@wendinoakland I think it was Confucius himself, whose wise words of "Big IT companies only care if the problem hits their profits" still stay relevant.

@apz I am so going to steal this: “Listen, I wrote my first Fast Fourier Transform in Fortran IV before any of you guys were born, so…” 😂

mirabilos 8h ago

@apz @plutarch @FediTips we need an xkcd#806…

@FediTips
I check the version of the instance : 4.1.25, released on 2025-04-02 and is unmaintained since this time.

hiddenDisability

@FediTips the same admin was responsible for mstdn.jp and pawoo.net, both of them also abandoned and running with outdated and unsupported versions.

(It's what I infer from https://mstdn.jp/@Sujiyan/109564291832002068)

Suji Yan (@[email protected])

Recording of Interview of maintainer of Pawoo/Mstdn.jp/Mastodon.cloud :D by @[email protected] @[email protected] and joined by ~12 audiences like @[email protected] etc *83 mins Link: https://mega.nz/folder/DvpnwYBK#2VtqBLiZH9WMICcPdTb0MA

mstdn.jp

Hoshino Lina (星乃リナ) 🩵 3D Yuri Wedding 2026!!!Mar 31

@cadusilva @FediTips TIL those are all the same admin... and also this:

https://blocktribune.com/former-employee-sues-blockchain-firm-ceo-for-sexual-assault-wrongful-termination/

mirabilos 1d ago

@cadusilva @lina @FediTips say @landley are you aware of the above?

Rob Landley 1d ago

@mirabilos @cadusilva @lina I back up regularishly and If it goes down I'll probably actually start using my bluesky as something other than read-only with occasional replies.

Sites come, sites go.

(Realm of the Dragon. 596-4835. The sysop wrote his own C128 bbs software and I wrote my own C64 terminal program to talk to it.)

mirabilos 1d ago

@landley @cadusilva @lina let it be said I’d welcome if you staid on a more reliable instancde instead of leaving Fedi for a nazi bar (most people defederated the bridges, too)

Rob Landley 1d ago

@mirabilos @cadusilva @lina If the site stays up, it stays up. If it goes down it goes down. If another pearl clutching homeowners association decides to shun it while it's still up, oh well.

(I've already gotten the "How dare I not have abandoned my wife and moved out of the USA yet." speech from more than one person, thanks.)

Hoshino Lina (星乃リナ) 🩵 3D Yuri Wedding 2026!!!1d ago

@landley @mirabilos @cadusilva FWIW pawoo got defederated by ~everyone (including my instance) after it became a CSAM hellhole (actual CSAM, not lolicon). That's why I'm worried about those owners...

Also .cloud is having a spam issue as we speak and being (hopefully temporarily) limited by other instances too.

mirabilos 1d ago

@lina @landley @cadusilva the admin is actually https://mstdn.jp/@Sujiyan (and the company they created) and still active… but not on a good path…

Rob Landley 1d ago

@mirabilos @lina @cadusilva As I said, I'll move to bsky when forced.

mirabilos 1d ago

@landley @lina @cadusilva I have no words

stux⚡️Mar 30

@FediTips Hm.. I believe they are part of some other instance, maybe pawoo?

I remember a company being behind .cloud and another big instance

stux⚡️Mar 30

@FediTips Ah yes!

Sujitech, LLC.

stux⚡️Mar 30

@FediTips So yeah, a lot

Mastodon Belgium Admin Mar 30

@stux @FediTips
This might explain why I have a user from Japan and why they didn't join on mstdn.jp

stux⚡️Mar 31

@admin @FediTips On both those servers there is soo much CSAM content.. we suspended/silenced(media) them because it was too much

Mark Wyner Won’t Comply

Same. And I had no idea they were associated with pawoo. Thanks for mentioning this.

@admin @FediTips

mirabilos 8h ago

@stux @admin @FediTips apparently I had .cloud and pawoo already blocked, but I read up on domain limits in GotoSocial tonight (they are a rather recent new feature) and put .jp as first one

Skwerlgyrl Mar 30

@FediTips Good to know. Thank you!

Sam Nabi Mar 31

@FediTips @mayintoronto
@crimini

Jigme Datse Mar 31

@FediTips This makes me want to look at my moderation logs... Because I suspect that's a common source...

🥑 Yours Truly! Unruly 🇨🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦🌻Mar 31

Thanks! Will try and block it too.

@FediTips Heads-up to @RaulKrauthausen who is currently still on that server. Would be unfortunate to get disconnected from that voice with wide defederation.

gunstick Mar 31

@FediTips with all the security issues, maybe someone could hack into the server and tell all users that they should leave.

Jerry on Mastodon Mar 31

@FediTips
I see many legitimate accounts there. I've decided to limit the server, but not block it. This way people can continue following each other, but hear-me.social is protected.

If anyone here does have a follow relationship with anyone on .cloud, please let them know the ship has no captain and it's vulnerable to attacks, and they should jump onto a new one.

If the owner has no interest in having anything to do with the site, why do they keep it going? Why don't they seek a new owner? They should at least let people on their instance know.

Codewizard Mar 31

@Jerry are you Admin Jerry ??🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Jerry on Mastodon Mar 31

@codewizard
Yep. This is my personal account for posting things not specifically related to the server.

Alexander Bochmann 2d ago

@FediTips Non-surprisingly, they're currently a source of the latest "Mastodon Support" scam wave.

Rycochet 1d ago

@FediTips Kind of wish there was a way to flag new users about problematic servers. I started out on .cloud and it took me about a year to realise it was a pariah state in the fediverse, and that was only because I had a hard time getting other servers to let me migrate from there after I realised it had a lot of dying stripmall feel to it with a lot of automated content but few actual users.

Fedi.Tips 1d ago

Yeah, it can be tricky to know where to sign up 😦

For what it's worth, I'd recommend using a human-curated server list where someone has checked the servers before listing them. I run one at https://fedi.garden and there's also one run by the Mastodon developers at https://joinmastodon.org/servers

Just out of interest, do you remember how you found out about .cloud?

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