Amy Diehl, Ph.D.21h ago
Study (N=2,689) of men (18-34) finds 95.1% reported using strategies to get a woman to have sex who they knew did not want sex & had not consented; 65% successful. Consistent physical pressure & verbal coercion common; overt force, physical restraint, pain also used. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08862605261432630
Show threadgabriel21h ago

@amydiehl OK, but the paper was focused on that demographic:

"This research was designed to focus on men who admit having intentionally and knowingly sexually aggressed against a woman who they knew did not want sex nor consented to it, including strategies to overcome her reluctance, circumstances, motivations, and positive and negative outcomes."

Show threadgabriel21h ago

@amydiehl

I'm not coming to argue "not all men", but from reading the tooth one walks away with the idea that 95% of men force women to have sex, and that is not what the article says at all. What it claims is that of a population that admits to intentionally sexually aggressed woman, 95% report to use strategies to get a woman to have sex when she hasn't consented.

I mean, clearly the paper itself claims "not all men".

Show threadTomás Hradcky
@gabriel And you are definitely coming here to argue ‘not all men’.
Apr 13 at 7:37pmWeb
Show threadgabriel20h ago

@TomasHradcky

As I say, not me, is what the paper says. You can read it yourself and make up your mind.

I think we need to understand the literature to be able to have strategies to curve this situation. It would be very different if we are talking of 95% of the population or if it the number is different.

Therefore it is important to clarify, in my mind, what the study actually claims.

Show threadRandom Walsh18h ago
@gabriel @TomasHradcky The nuance is important indeed. And this has nothing to do with "not all men". The study is not just about perpetrators' modus operandi, it's also about methodology (anonymity and non-judgemental approach), which are essential to understand if one is to grasp the fact that these men know what they're doing (otherwise they'd confess by accident, which they obviously don't). This tells volumes about their line of defense ("oh I lost control"). They don't lose control at all.
Show threadRandom Walsh10h ago
@gabriel @TomasHradcky Yet actually I'm quite surprised to read that "most men don't". For I'm afraid most men do. So my opinion on this is "while I think most men do, I also think that these study says the opposite (in which case I think it's interesting for the reasons stated above) , but at the same time it seems to say that most men are prepetrators". So honestly I don't know what to think ABOUT THIS STUDY (as far as masculinity is concerned I know what to think, unfortunately).
Show threadRandom Walsh9h ago
@gabriel @TomasHradcky But I'm pretty sure one doesn't have to be a masculinist to say or think that these study "doesn't say that". Tbh, before I commented, I was about to write "damn I knew it!". Discussion on this matter is legitimate. Should one be afraid to discuss this and that for fear that they might look suspicious ? Nobody here is impatient to take the study away with them and use it as an excuse to abuse women. All I see is people talking. So let's talk.
Show threadDuckbilled Plattypus.17h ago

@gabriel

Again, you don't know it's not also 95% of all men. A number you claim is shocking to you.

And yet, you continue to insist 95% is too broad an assumption that upsets you because women might be asserting it's all men or a lot of men. No one except you brought up 100% all men. Then you got upset about it.

Sealion much?

I love that you insist on being blocked. Like 95% of all #Replyguys who responded to this post. 👍

@TomasHradcky

Show threadgabriel17h ago

@pattykimura

If it is 95% of all men, then this would also imply that _at least_ 95% of all men who had sex in the last two years had multiple sexual partners. I find this figure to be quite strange, given what other studies of sexual behavior of younger generations show.

Now, I am answering in good faith, because I think we are having a conversation. But if you feel differently, feel free to block, I do not need the validation of your attention.👋🏽

Show threadJoykill10h ago

@gabriel @pattykimura

What does having multiple partners have to do with this at all? Rape can happen in monogamous relationships too, you ghoul.

Show threadColman Reilly8h ago
@joykill @gabriel @pattykimura it specifies that they did not have a prior sexual/romantic relationship with the woman to separate out relationships.