RE: https://horche.demkontinuum.de/display/2196d4ee-7669-dbc1-1f9e-200464952498

Wow.

In addition to this, apparently farm yields INCREASE if you mix ground-dwelling crops with overhead PV panels, which provide shade/humidity traps for the plants and livestock.

@cstross Not a fan of that article, it was pretty meandering. But it did link to the source https://www.science.org/content/article/massive-solar-farms-could-provoke-rainclouds-desert

@davep

I've un-tagged Charlie,Am sure he gets plenty of noise in his feed.

That said;

yeah the article is kinda trash

that whole 'unexpected!' thing.

said so yday

no, not unexpected, modeled and anticipated well over half century back.

pv solar is a win, always was.

even solar heat harvesting is very real & productive, and always has been

old & hard to find expose' on early days of solar:

Ray Reece's "The Sun Betrayed"

https://archive.org/details/sunbetrayedrepor00reec

it's an old & ugly story

The sun betrayed : a report on the corporate seizure of U.S. solar energy development : Reece, Ray : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Includes bibliographical references

Internet Archive
@cpm Leaving China to take the lead in renewables and the west to reflexively lambast it thanks to oil lobby money (aka blatant corruption).

@davep
well

sure.

our electric utility outfits can shoulder a lot of this as well.

they love their coal plants.

every grid tied array *reduces* grid loading.

where's the fun in that?

The fun bit?

every installation I worked on in .WV yrs ago

the linecrews? the reg 'blue collar' folks? who did the final tie-ins?
Into It!
Excited about it.

the khaki&poloshirt white hardhats with the clipboards?

eh, , , not so much.

@cpm It's more the political class I'm pissed off with. It's purely about political will at this point.

@davep
indeed
no argument

kinda always was.

look
oil cos, utility cos *love* pv solar, telcoms as well.

can deploy anywhere, provide current relative to the ground state, which is a massive win for galvanic corrosion, and a host of other annoyances that plague built infrastructure. No matter the per-watt cost.

why they invested
but they have no interest in 'us' using it

truth:
pacific nw pot growers kept retail pv solar alive for decades

there's a fun story there

@cpm You can't leave it at that!

@davep
remember the periodical: "Home Power Journal" ?

ceased publication about a decade back?

Gobs of info on 'guerrilla solar' installations, before folks tossed in the towel and started adapting codes to permit the tidal-waves that were here anyway?

Sure.
Greenies with bottomless pits of $$ were buying these staggeringly-expensive panels, inverters, etc

But:
Seriously folks:

what market force created these warehouses of solar power goodies?

&

where were they located?

@davep
srsly
arco 85watt panels cost nearly a grand
&
folks buying pallets of them, paying in cash?

duh

that *was* the market