Raindrops and Roses2d ago
Jon S. von Tetzchner

The @Vivaldi servers are in Iceland. Icelandic electricity is green as it uses hydro power and a bit of geothermal. Wind is being added to the mix as well.

#Vivaldi #Browser #EU #Europa #Technology nology

Mar 20 at 10:53pmWeb
Show threadmillennial fulcrumMar 20
@jon @Vivaldi perfection
Show threadSveinn í FelliMar 21

@jon @Vivaldi You must then make sure that your energy suppliers don't sell you electricity with certificates of provenance from coal, oil or nuclear, right?
Because the Icelandic producers/distributors have been selling such green absolution-certificates to European markets, instead we get those 'dirty' stamps on our energy.

Personally I pay ~1.65 ISK extra per kWh just to keep my electricity green, denying the joy of gambling to those suits... 🥴

Show threadTrit’2d ago
@sv1 @jon @Vivaldi But nuclear is the ONLY non carbon-based/emitting fossil energy source. That makes it the only fossil energy that does not worsen the greenhouse effect. Though it’s not perfect nor without its own risks, you can’t consider it the same way as coal, oil or gas.
Show threadᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES2d ago

@sv1 @jon @Vivaldi

you're moving the argument from "this is good" to "but i want perfect"

so the proper actions for your valid criticisms is to push back against energy suppliers, not against vivaldi

Show threadSveinn í Felli2d ago
@benroyce @jon @Vivaldi In Iceland it depends on the distributor how easy it is to get the certificates of origin for your current, some make it a [volontarily] very convoluted process - and more expensive.
Actually, you can't even prove that the energy is always 100% green, some fisheries in the Eastern and Western fjords do need to use fossil fuels during spike-activity in late winter (capelin-season, mackerel).
Show threadᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES2d ago

@sv1 @jon @Vivaldi

right. so criticize that, not vivaldi

Show threadSveinn í Felli2d ago
@benroyce @jon @Vivaldi Wasn't criticising, definately not blaming Vivaldi, just pointing out that not all energy in Iceland is certified 100% green. 🤔
Show threadᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES2d ago

@sv1 @jon @Vivaldi

i feel you, i have no problem with you

my problem is how these conversations can become "everything sucks and then you die" type threads

i'm not blaming you for this, just how endless criticism can devolve

we should celebrate good moves, and improve on them

accentuate the positive

and point our criticisms at those who truly deserve it

Show threadJustin ScholzMar 21
@jon @Vivaldi it is only in so far green as the physical electrons are green but if the co2 certificates associated with it are traded in along Europe as is common, they might be used to greenwash coal electricity in Europe and actually have associated emissions. Does Vivaldi procure co2 emission free electrons in Iceland?
Show threadSvavar the Neurospicy2d ago

@jmovs @jon @Vivaldi

Hydro also requires putting a valley underwater with the resulting destruction of nature.

That said, a lot of the affected valleys in Iceland were quite barren to begin with and it's a less polluting and more sustainable option than lighting things on fire.

Show threadᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES2d ago

@jmovs @jon @Vivaldi

sure but then the point is to argue for better, against co2 certificates

not create negativity on a decent set up vivaldi and iceland has

not saying you're doing that, but some people might

Show threadJon Kam4d ago
@jon wow, you mean the main servers of @Vivaldi stay all in Iceland? Sir
Show threadJürgen Hubert1d ago

@jon @Vivaldi

Plus, cooking is relatively cheap at that latitude.