FrostbeardOrban has conceeded
Fucking finally.
Eat shit, fascists.
To be clear, Magyar is also a fascist but a bit less mask-off about his corruption. It’s a (slight) improvement but not some progressive victory it’s touted to be.
If he tells Putler to pound sand, take the W.
perfect is the enemy of the good.
kittenzrulz123He’s less good more slightly better, his social policies seem to be practically identical and his economic policies really only diverge in terms of the EU. Publically he speaks of anti corruption but considering he was involved in a scandal I’m not sure how much he’ll do (he hasn’t promised anything concrete yet). So it would be more accurate to say perfect is the enemy of marginally better.
Excuse, what the fuck? No, Magyar is no fascist unless you’re one of these guys who just make a joke out of this word.
He’s a Christian democrat, not alt-right. Think CDU, not AFD.
So the people that gave Hitler power?
Totally not fascist, just historically the only people to willingly allow fascists to take over in order to fight any kind of economic progress.
What’s the quote about people that refuse to learn history.
I was talking about Mussolini.
Yes, and we’re talking about Magyar.
My man, get your shit together. I wasn’t even gonna respond anymore because I figured you were just some 11yo stoked up about their last history lesson. But then something pinched me to see your profile - and then I noticed you dropped this banger.
I just couldn’t have done it, champ. You’re clearly impressively smart, why did you go so low in this thread we’re at right now? To just bomb out of the topic at hand and stick to some irrelevant Weimar bullshit no one was interested in talking about.
𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠He just kicked the fascist out, try and keep up.
No, he kicked out a figure head fascist. I guarantee for six months after they take office they’ll come up with excuses for why Orban’s cronies shouldn’t be removed from their appointed positions, how they’re victims in all this taken in by said fascist, and why nothing of substance should change.
Like liberals always do.
The ratchet once again finds a resting position before the next crank.
Not every country’s politics is like the US. Please read up on Hungary in the past 2 years and you might get less cynical.
There is no “ratchet” in Hungary. It literally could not get worse save for going full-on Belarus. And the people, the party and even the electorate behind Magyar are people who mostly haven’t been in politics yet. The “ratchet” party has been kicked out of politics this election along with the government.
wonderingwandererIt must be so exhausting being a tankie, always coming up with reasons why nothing is ever a good thing, no matter how severely they need to twist their logic, and smugly blaming it all on the liberals whom they call fascists while glossing over the actual fascists…
Couldn’t be me…
I did not ‘gloss over’ actual fascists, I’m simply not a naive optimist that believes repeating history is going to result in a different outcome.
The fact you think a single person runs a movement or ideology shows you have no possible inkling of an idea of what you’re talking about. The Nazis didn’t die off because Hitler (appointed by a liberal btw) killed himself. They didn’t die off period. Regardless of their furher.
When trump dies or loses favor, his movement will 100% still be active and a domineering force in the US.
When Orban gets out of office, if he leaves peacefully, his movement will still be in office across the country and still have outsized political influence resulting it being ‘politically unsafe’ to undo most of his damage.
This is true no matter the fascist. For fuck’s sake Italy elected a fascist party candidate relative of Mussolini – specifically because it’s not ‘hero worship’ that defines fascism.
Until you understand the mechanisms and causes of fascism you will be doomed to repeat the cycle of liberalism -> fascism -> liberalism. Forever, or at least until a strong enough communist uprising happens and kicks out the fascists.
The fact you think a single person runs a movement or ideology shows you have no possible inkling of an idea of what you’re talking about.
What fact? Single person? You didn’t see, Tisza is projected to win a supermajority.
When Orban gets out of office, if he leaves peacefully, his movement will still be in office across the country and still have outsized political influence
Fidesz suffered a crushing defeat, actually.
You’re not only showing your ignorance but also you’re just plain wrong. And if everyone who isn’t a bolshevik is a fascist to you, then you don’t understand fascism as well as you think you do.
Also, you’re never gonna get enough people to participate in your “uprising” if you’re calling them all fascists for believing in democratic process. You’re doing more harm to socialism and leftism in general by making us look like the insane caricatures the right wing tries to paint us as.
Reread my comments and try again.
Why, so you can waste my time twice? Nah, you’re still wrong.
Sorry, but not really, the Christian Democrats were in the govt coalition.
He ran on wealth taxes and going after the rich as well as corporations. He’s kind of a centrist populist, very much not like the CDU.
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e8CArkcAuLEhe’s a wife beater!
downvoters can only accept a binary state of acceptance…
yes, his ex-wife is the ex judicial minister and is an orbanite.
but this does not necessarily make the allegations less credible.
also i can be glad that Orban is gone, but at the same time still be critical of his successor Magyar, this is not incompatible…
How so? Hes aligned with the EU, aligned with Ukraine, and wants Russia to kick rocks. Hes also talked about unfucking hungary’s courts, media consolidation and electrion rules that the outgoing facist rigged.
He’s also extremely nationalist, anti-immigration, and his attitude to LGBT is silence (which is only marginally better than hatred)
Hes aligned with the EU
EU is a trading bloc and fascists love money. More extreme ones hate others more than they love money, but it’s not universal.
aligned with Ukraine, and wants Russia to kick rocks
There’s nothing stopping fascists from supporting Ukraine, there are plenty of nazis there too. It’s not as bad as russian propaganda makes it out to be but it is a reason why some on the right/far-right support it.
Overall I’d say he’s like a Hungarian Meloni - a fascist (or close to one) willing to cooperate with liberals to make money together.
He’s against continuing Hungary’s further path to a dictatorship without due process or real elections, which is the best Hungary can get at the moment.
He’s also extremely nationalist, anti-immigration, and his attitude to LGBT is silence (which is only marginally better than hatred)
Can we stop the idpol a bit? He is also campaigning on wealth taxes, fighting back against oligarchs and corporations, anti-corruption, strong social safety nets paid by reclaimed wealth and so on.
What do you expect a politician to be if not nationalistic? He was running for national office. If anything, he supports international collaboration with pro-EU forces in the V4. He is not even staunchly anti-immigration, the whole thing with that was just pointing out hipocrisy in the government. Same with LGBT rights, in an ideal society it should just be normal and nobody should care, especially not the government.
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SpookyBogMonsterCan we stop the idpol a bit?
As a trans person? No, we can’t. Fuck you
Can we stop the idpol a bit?
No. Combining pseudo-socialist economic policies with conservative social policies is literally national-socialism which you might know by some other names
He is also campaigning on wealth taxes, fighting back against oligarchs and corporations, anti-corruption, strong social safety nets paid by reclaimed wealth and so on.
I checked the full election platform and there’s some OK stuff in there (wealth tax, increased pensions, social housing). The rest is liberal policies (e.g. nationalizing bankrupcy and debt foreclosure agencies) and tax cuts for lower and middle class. It is for sure better than Orban but overall it’s not progressive
What do you expect a politician to be if not nationalistic?
Uhhh I want my politicians to support the international working class. I expect them to not be overtly nationalist at a minimum. Internationalism is a thing.
He is not even staunchly anti-immigration
He said he liked Orban’s immigration policies and he cracked jokes (or insane slander, hard to tell) at immigrant’s expense
Same with LGBT rights, in an ideal society it should just be normal and nobody should care, especially not the government.
Definitely not when the government discriminated and abused LGBT people for decades, propagandized society and stoked hatred against them. It needs to be dealt with and spoken about. We still live in a patriarchy and its victims need protection and support.
Hungary's Peter Magyar, main rival to Viktor Orban, speaks exclusively to DW News | DW Interview
No. Combining pseudo-socialist economic policies with conservative social policies is literally national-socialism which you might know by some other names
Without getting into the rest of it, that is not the case whatsoever. The Nazis weren’t even pseudo-socialist, they were definitely capitalist. There was still a capitalist class profiting off of the slavery and war, but only so long as they remained loyal to the party.