Fox News doc says not enough ’15 to 19′ year-olds are having kids: ‘The fertility is down’

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Fox News doc says not enough ’15 to 19′ year-olds are having kids: ‘The fertility is down’ - Lemmy.World

Fox News Senior Medical Analyst Marc Siegel made some eyebrow-raising comments lamenting that birth rates are down among teenagers aged 15 to 19. On Thursday, the National Center for Health Statistics reported that the U.S. fertility rate fell to another record low. The agency reported that the number of births per 1,000 women of childbearing age declined from 53.8 in 2024 to 53.1 last year. The latest figure represents a continuation of a decades-long decline in fertility rates. Siegel joined Friday’s edition of America’s Newsroom, where Dana Perino said that while the continuing trend is not surprising, “the numbers might feel a little shocking.”

If you watch the video, it’s much less strange in context (in fact, it’s not strange at all, although the guy himself is a religious crackpot). The reason he mentions “15 to 19” at all is because that’s a specific demographic in a statistic that he used, among other things, to suggest that people are having kids much later than they used to, but he doesn’t specifically talk about declining teen pregnancy like it’s a bad thing. Like seriously, watch the video; I don’t know what the fuck Mediaite is doing with this headline except for ragebait. I genuinely thought there would be even a little hint of weirdness, but no?? Somebody else please watch the clip and tell me what they think is wrong with it re: teen pregnancies.

The clip is 2:08 long; I encourage anyone who thinks this is bullshit apologia to watch it. I’m legitimately shocked that I’m having to defend something someone said on Fox News. The whole time watching it I was wondering when they were going to get to the shocking, deranged part.

(Side note: the host looks like a bootleg Rhea Seehorn.)

Edit: The Mediaite transcript of the quote below is wrong in a subtle but, I think, very important way. Please see edit in comment below.

So calling it a “problem” was just a poor choice of words?

(Edit: Please see edit first for where I just realized this disconnect between reading and viewing might be coming from.)

Yeah, I really think it is. It’s more evident if you watch the whole video (and I really think you should). I think he was implicating 15 to 19 rates as partial evidence that ages of pregnant women are climbing – but not problematic unto itself. Later in the video, he makes the claim that people are gravitating to waiting until they’re into their 30s to have kids. I.e. the “problem” isn’t that underage teens are getting pregnant less; a drop in teen pregnancies is just used as a symptom of the reasons people are waiting until late 20s, 30s, or never to have kids.

Points that he makes throughout the segment are things like advances in medical technology making late pregnancies much more viable, and that certainly isn’t targeted at teen pregnancies.

Keep in mind that I have zero respect for this guy and would have no reason to doubt he would support teen pregnancies as “god’s will” or whatever the shit: the cover of his book shown in the segment tells it all. Even through that lens, I just don’t see it as anything more than a poor choice of words that can be easily quoted without the full surrounding context. I don’t blame anyone who comes away from this thinking I’m wrong; he’s earned not having a slip-up taken charitably.

EDIT: We weren’t even talking about the same “it” here. Something I just noticed reading that again (and maybe why I didn’t think it was fucked-up watching it): that Mediaite version of the quote gets it wrong in a subtle but very important way. The real quote is: “But the problem is teens and young adults. [keeping in mind 18 and 19 are teens] From ages 15 to 19 – the fertility rate is down seven percent […]” Notice that there’s a full stop in there. That’s the way he says it. “Teens and young adults” in a healthy-ish sense of pregnancy (I don’t think pregnancies at 18 are a great idea, but you do you, queen) would, to me, refer to 18 to 25-ish. Whereas the lack of a full stop (that’s definitely present in his speech) implies “teens and young adults” means “15 to 19 exclusively”. That distinct cut-off actually changes the meaning of what he’s saying.

  • In the segment: “teens and young adults” having pregnancies later is the problem. Here’s 15 to 19 to show that we’re having pregnancies later, and here are some social factors that could explain that which I’ll then use to argue is similar in young adults.
  • In the subtly malformed quote: “15 to 19” having pregnancies later is the problem.

The “it” I was talking about was having them so close together. The “it” you were talking about was having 15 to 19 being a problem.

I appreciate everything you’ve done so far here- I mean no offense in saying this, but is there any chance you’d accept that maybe, you’re viewing it through a green lens?

I really tried not to. I even paused the segment when it showed his book to find out it was talking about “healing through God” – which to me grossly crosses a line for what a medical doctor should be doing. I didn’t go into the video thinking “this is bullshit”; I went into it because that’s standard practice I have for reading “person says X”-type articles like this. That’s why I was in such disbelief.

I don’t even like his rhetoric about how waiting for stability is some problem in need of solving because young people need to sacrifice their lives for the greater good muh birthrate.

In sum, I think this guy’s a shithead. What I don’t think is that this guy is advocating for 15-year-olds getting pregnant like the headline and the ever-convenient typo in the quote suggest.

maybe people who had living wages would be able to afford more kids… but something tells me they won’t address that. they’ll simply take away birth control and abortion.

fucking ghouls

Mediaite posting rage bait headlines? Surely not!
Kinda puts the abstinence only sex ed in a different light. I guess we were just supposed to push out babies and live in trailers the whole time.

Well yes, actually. There’s data from the 1400s that abstinence isn’t sex education and results in higher teen pregnancy rates.

If the goal was ever to stop teen pregnancy they’d just encourage porn use among teens and free condoms in any third space they congregate.

Prisons are better for their profits.
Excuse me while I go barf.
They truly want a third world economy
A third world economy is quite nice for the folks on top. Until they’re deposed and replaced.
I feel it is important to point out that a third world economy is not necessary for things like that!
I feel it is important to point out that a third world economy is not necessary for things like that!
Yes but you and I are far smarter than the current US government.
No, they want a capitalist economy

The 1.56 needs to be over 2 only makes sense if you deny all immigrants access. I would say the population of the U.S. has never declined in its history but that wouldn’t be true. We fell by .06% in 1918 do to a couple ignoramus things like the Spanish Flu and world war 1.

If you want population increase… Don’t do what Trump has done

If you want population increase… Don’t do what Trump has done

Some of our highest population rates came under Presidents like Trump. The Napoleonic Wars were great for US economic expansion

True, but women were also popping out 7 field hands per person at the time… And we need 15/16 less field hands now. So immigration or not, we are above schedule. 7 kids, yikes. But shit to be afford 7 kids… wow
We don’t want a population increase

WHY are Children NOT having Kids?

-Protect The Kids TM Republicans!

Gentle reminder that their main concern is not having enough targets to rape.

The agency reported that the number of births per 1,000 women of childbearing age declined from 53.8 in 2024 to 53.1 last year

You know, I bet if we didn’t just call them “women of childbearing age”, we might have a few more kids out there… C’mon NCHS, put some romance in your stats.

It feels so weird hearing shit like this after spending your teenage years hearing about the horrors of teenage pregnancy.

“Teenage Pregnancy” was a financial problem for Boomer parents.

Now it’s not.

Simple as

Why are they so afraid of declining population?

Also, they know what to do to change that, but they won’t because that would mean less money flowing to the top.

Fuck 'em.

My adult son told me he wasn’t planning on having kids, and said, “Good. I think that’s right choice.”

They need to keep pumping out low IQ voters because the smart ones keep leaving the party.
There’s a very funny juxtaposition between what they actually care about (white children) and what you seem to suggest. Sort of a reverse eugenics theory, where they need more white people because white people are naturally dumber.
They don’t only want white people , they want poor, uneducated white people. That’s why they work so hard to get teenagers pregnant, take away school lunches and prenatal care, take away abortion rights. That’s how they build their base of uneducated impoverished white people.

lamenting that birth rates are down among teenagers aged 15 to 19.

Wait, they want 15 year-old having kids?!!

Oh wait, it’s Faux News. Yeah, gotta keep them young’uns overwhelmed with babies so they don’t have time to do horrible things like express their concerns, or educate themselves, or aspire to their own dreams. Makes perfect sense.

Maybe he in the files… ?
Why they thinking of fertile youths?

Capitalism contributes, yes. But, if humanity stays below replacement rate, humanity goes extinct.

Also, no matter how you distribute resources, there are periods of life when your productivity is less that what you need to survive. Everyone has this for many years at the beginning of their life, and those lucky enough to live long enough will have this toward the end of their lives, as aging is the disability that comes for us all. The proven method to sustain persons during those periods is to have enough people in their productive years; it generally requires more than the replacement rate. And, if that doesn’t happen, the less productive suffer and die more.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufmu1WD2TSk

All that said, I’m against encouraging teenage pregnancy, and for full bodily autonomy – no one should be forced to let anyone else use their uterus.

SOUTH KOREA IS OVER

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I’m against encouraging teenage pregnancy

Encouraging teenage pregnancy isn’t the problem. The problem is the encouragement in general. As said, full bodily autonomy - it should remain a right for all.

The problem is the encouragement in general

I don’t see why that’s a problem. I think it could come in the form of actual benefits, not a just verbal haranguing / extolling based on (not) having children, but that it’s good for the birth rate to be slightly above replacement and correcting any divergence should be encouraged.

You’re sabotaging your own argument here. You stated full body autonomy to be a right to then dismiss that within this statement.

no one should be forced to let anyone else use their uterus

Tell me, how does this relate to your current argument?

“full body autonomy” includes but is not limited to “no one [is] forced to let anyone else use their uterus”. I don’t believe I am sabotaging my own argument, but I’m an idiot, so maybe you just need to be more meticulous in explaining how I am (doing that).

I bring it up because authoritarians often try to restrict bodily autonomy, particularly around uteruses, when trying to do population control (up or down). In fact, while it may not be a acceptable, mainstream view, you don’t have to look to hard to find a USian on the right claiming that abortion must (become/stay) illegal because of the “birth rate crisis”.

The Earth’s population has nearly doubled in my lifetime. I’m pretty sure we’re not quite endangered yet. I’ll also point out that poor countries that tend to spawn brown players are well above replacement levels if you count those as people.

Yeah, I’m not worried about running out of humans globally, and I do think immigration is a fine way for a country to choose to maintain their population.

There’s probably something to be said around cultural preservation, and maybe that’s a bit easier for “native born” persons. But, I don’t know the steelman version of that argument, if there is one.

Maybe it’s because people can’t afford to feed themselves and actually realise that having 1-2 additional mouths to feed isn’t a recipe for happiness.

He should focus on people having free education, free healthcare, jobs that allow them to have a decent life, but he and pieces of shit like him ruined millions of lives and will ruin millions more and a failing economy won’t stimulate a population boom.

Don’t forget affordable housing
Trying to soften the idea of statutory rape. Nothing will make it okay that donald trump fucked children, no matter how hard he tries to corrupt our views. He will be fed to the woodchipper.
These were the same morons that decried teen pregnancy 20+ years ago
Sure, they didn’t need it then. Apparently now they need it. Times change. 😮

I don’t get what is so fucking hard for these pedophile conservative fucks to understand. When you make life fucking impossible to live, no one wants to bring a child into the world.

Instead, their response is, “if we fuck children, we can raise the birth rate.”

Fuck these ghouls. They just all need to die already.

Fuck these ghouls

Absolutely not.

Also I’m not young enough for them apparently.

They dont care how hard life is for people, they desperatly need more lives to ruin.
People lives horrible lives in previous ages and still had lots of kids. Of course the answer to that was plenty of rape. Buuuut they don’t see that as a problem so…it isn’t about understanding, it’s about a complete lack of empathy.

People lived horrible lives in previous ages and still had lots of kids. Of course the answer to that was plenty of rape.

Actually, lack of reliable contraception was a much bigger contributer to the higher birthrate than rape.

“Not enough teenagers are being locked into poverty with unwanted children. This is bad for the oligarchs.”
I feel like that’s kind of the core of the birth rate panics across the whole age spectrum by the billionaires. None of these fuckers think 20 years in advance to care about a smaller future workforce, but what a low birthdate impacts immediately is the financial solvency of those potential childrearing parents. Fewer and later births means one fewer pressure they can use to exploit workers.
When you’re trapped in an uncaring machine that demands you toil for the rest of your life or die penniless on the street, one of the only ways you can fight back is to just stop participating.
not enough meat for the grinder, we got too many wars on the books keep them babies comin!
Fewer girls to rape. Their worst fear.

I’m going nuts. I’m from Russia, and Russian officials say insane stuff, and then I read news from the US, and it’s the same shit, side view.

Why? Its insane, and it only gets worse. When I lived in the US during Tramp’s first term, it wasn’t that crazy, despite having± same names in high places. Now, it’s like another country, and too much alike my insane motherland. USA, you’re becoming what you hate the most!

Looneytunes, all of them. ☠️