Car just drove by and one of the guys in it made the 🐈👅 gesture out the window at me.

Not sure if it was an observation based on my aesthetic, or the threat of a 🐰good time🐰, but either way...guys, this is why y'all're still single.

@alice I never realised how bad it was for women until my wife had me follow her at a discreet distance while she was jogging on her own. I learnt why she only went jogging with me and that many men should not be allowed out into the world with supervision.
@rbphotographic @alice Same for my wife and I. There are certain gas stations she avoids because of where they are and the type of men who frequent them. We also always go food shopping together or I go by myself because she ALWAYS has something happen.
@blainsmith @rbphotographic @alice I stopped grocery shopping. I hated it. I figure skate for exercise because it’s mostly women and gay men at the rink. I spend so much time with (mostly well behaved but oblivious) men at work that I mostly go to women-centered spaces now, especially if it’s on my own.
@irene @blainsmith @rbphotographic @alice they’ll bother you in a grocery shop? Regularly?

@Colman @irene @blainsmith @rbphotographic @alice CONSTANTLY. My partner does all the grocery shopping now because he (I could cut the sentence there, but) is big enough to be imposing. The aisles can be bad, the lines are worse, but the parking lots are awful.

I got used to wearing big baggy shapeless coats if shopping, but honestly that doesn't help much, because it's often not at all about how you look, it's about men feeling entitled to interrupt your day, commandeer your time and attention and sometimes personal space, and generally harass you as if you've come into THEIR space by existing while female (or feminized) in public. Wearing respirators, once covid began, actually seemed to make it worse and more openly aggressive.

Men who compliment without objectification were far less annoying, but in some ways it's more frustrating, because your patience for interruption has been eaten up by the four jerks in the half hour before him and you have to either swallow that or take it out on someone who doesn't really deserve it. Men ruin flirting for other men, basically.

Complimenting someone's skill or ability or creative expressiveness is always a better bet than complimenting how they make you feel (beauty, attraction, any of the stuff in the eye of the beholder isn't actually a signal being "sent," but an experience internal to the audience, according to their personal taste) - essentially the same compliments a man would give another man, until and unless there's a relationship that starts skewing toward the romantic. The flirting edge of playfulness can come in before that, and the intensity of reciprocation can then be indicative.

@cwicseolfor @Colman @blainsmith @rbphotographic @alice thanks this is actually really helpful and validating. I thought I was the only one that hated grocery shopping or was tired of putting up with this BS.

@irene @Colman @blainsmith @rbphotographic @alice I'm so sorry and furious on behalf of both and all of us.

Grocery shopping used to be my favorite pasttime and hobby - almost every thread I've been in today has been about food. But harassment has ruined it. (Even as I type that, though, my thought is 'Countdown until some well-intended guy tells me that I shouldn't let men define my activities.' I'm not particularly averse to conflict, but it is so. exhausting. when you were just trying to have a nice time.)

A lot of the comments can't be repeated without violating social media terms of service, but I think it says a lot about entitlement culture re: women's bodies that I have *on more than one occasion* had a plastic surgeon come up to me unsolicited to make suggested "improvements" before I was even 25.

@cwicseolfor @irene @Colman @blainsmith @rbphotographic @alice

I don't run into too much trouble going to stores, but also, I am tall, scary, and I shop mid-day on weekdays when nobody else is out.

So like, my experiences are not universal.