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MicheleV_AK 1d ago

What a year we've had this week, am I right?? And it's only Tuesday! Freakin' psycho in the WH threatening to destroy all of Iran in a temper tantrum, the GOP shrugging their shoulders and of course, he TACOd, thank goodness. We are not safe, people! I've never heard/seen so many MAGA call for the 25th Amendment for the felon...LOL! It's funny yet terrifying and I never know what's going to hit me when I turn on my pc. #InsanityUSA #FuckTrump #PsychoTrump #25thamendmentnow #GetHimOut

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 1d ago

anyone who didn't vote is just as culpable in all of this as MAGA

@benroyce And I still hold the Bernie supporters responsible who would not vote for Hillary, voted third party, stayed home or voted for the felon.

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 1d ago

i voted for bernie in the primaries and gave him money

then i voted for hillary in the general election, because i'm not a moron

anyone who feels a need to punish spineless centrist democrats as a more important goal than not becoming a fascist country is an entitled piece of shit

@benroyce I, too, voted for Bernie in the primaries and gave him money, and voted for Clinton in the general. I don't know any other Bernie supporter who did differently, and I live in Vermont. @MicheleV_AK

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 1d ago

@MFennVT @MicheleV_AK

imagine the world where bernie became president in 2016

😩

but no

MAGA and centrist democrats ruined it all

and now this dystopian hell

@benroyce I imagine that world a lot. He would have won, damn it, and it would have been so much better. 😞 @MicheleV_AK

Epistomai 1d ago

@MFennVT @benroyce @MicheleV_AK I don't believe that. In my country (🇲🇽) I voted just once for the Conservative party, because it was more central and less corrupt than anything else. The left in 🇲🇽 is like MAGA in 🇺🇸 it only exists to diminish anything else, by lies, illegal means, or whatever.

Once in power, they only work to create a totalitarian state. You won't believe Mexico is like that, but the previous president was the same from Mexico's 60s, 70s, and 80s regime.

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 1d ago

@epistomai @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK

i'm too ignorant of mexican politics to comment on mexican politics, but i would say that whatever is going on in mexico is different enough from what is going on in the usa that you can't say bernie wouldn't have won based on something in mexican politics

Epistomai 1d ago

@benroyce @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK I don't say for Bernie doing bad. What I am saying is MAGGOTS will keep causing riots and stuff. To me, I just see ICE as the grandsons for Confederates, for example. They would never rest until seizing power and oppressing anything who opposes them

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 1d ago

@epistomai @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK

oh i get it now

you're speaking of MAGA making a bernie win impossible, i see

sorry for the misunderstanding

the way i see it is if bernie got the dem nomination, he would not have had hillary's baggage and would have succeeded over trump. i could be wrong. and i acknowledge what you're saying about MAGA. it's a giant force of ignorance and bigotry

Epistomai 1d ago

@benroyce @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK exactly. I think it happens in Russia as well. I've heard some from east Germany also misses the Soviet regime. Wild

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 1d ago

@epistomai @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK

the biggest support for fascist AfD is in east germany

it is wild

it seems a people once abused, almost yearn for the abuse again

i guess you could say the same for hungary. it went from the hungarian uprisings of 1956 against the soviets, to being fearmongered into support for russia

propaganda, fear, low education: a hell of a drug

mike805 23h ago

@benroyce @epistomai @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK Not really a surprise. East Germany was in many ways a continuation of Nazism. Same war worship. Same political control of everything. Same master race ideology - look at their efforts to win (cheat) at the Olympics. Same mentality of we must be self-sufficient even if it means our lives kind of suck.

People who once felt powerful and no longer do want it back, even at the cost of comfort.

Epistomai 1d ago

@benroyce @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK As far I see American history, it was like in Germany Hitler's party never won.

We still have Nazis to this day

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 1d ago

@epistomai @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK

germany's nazis copied racist jim crow tactics from the deep south of the usa

Epistomai 1d ago

@MFennVT @benroyce @MicheleV_AK Read about the 'Mexican miracle' in the 70s, and how one single party didn't allow to grow. Something similar to Soviet states, but in a cynical lie.

Many from that old regime want it that way, that's why I don't trust in my Mexico anymore. It's cultural, and you don't want that in your country. You want generations to continue, not stagnation

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 1d ago

@epistomai @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK

right but that's a totally different dynamic than the usa

so i don't understand this {problem in mexican politics} therefore bernie can't win, or that bernie somehow represents something in mexican politics

Epistomai 1d ago

@benroyce @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK Not as Mexican politics, but as groups from opposition

I think you put so much trust on 'what if'. That's what I am saying

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 1d ago

@epistomai @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK

no i understand now, i misunderstood what you were saying, but you cleared it up in your other comment. i apologize

mexico and the usa have terrible problems, that is for certain

Epistomai 1d ago

@benroyce @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK I am right now in 🇨🇦 and seeing a similar pattern in politics

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 1d ago

@epistomai @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK

canada weirdly benefits from a fascist usa

poilievre was on track to win until trump went all "51st state! whargabbl" in his 3 AM sitting on his gold toilet social media posts

Epistomai 1d ago

@benroyce @MFennVT @MicheleV_AK I am still learning how things work in 🇨🇦 I got a degree but still learning stuff in here.

They had the elections because Justin Trudeau didn't want to fight Trump and he was separated or separating from his wife and family. Elections are only decided by Parliament I believe, not a specific date or period. Nevertheless, Poliviere lost because Trump caused the most negative impression in 🇨🇦 and Carney had to step in. I believe not even him wanted to run for PM befor

Mark Whybird 1d ago

@benroyce @MicheleV_AK The very definition of making “perfect” be the enemy of “good”.

ermo | Rune Morling 1d ago

Tangentially related dumb q: States in the US can decide whether they want to do first-past-the-post voting or use a different voting system, right?

So states could potentially vote to move to a more representative democracy in terms of having representatives be allotted according to number of votes?

What I mean by that is that you could potentially end up with one "green", two "red" and two "blue" representatives for a state with five representatives in total?

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 23h ago

@ermo @MicheleV_AK

with ranked choice voting you can vote your conscience in peace without dreary strategy like with fptp

what will tend to happen at first is that third parties still won't get enough votes, and so your vote will flow to your second/ third choice: the dems or GOP who will still tend to dominate

but with more penetration in more states third parties will trend to grow and become viable and stable and then we will see what you're talking about

ermo | Rune Morling 23h ago

It is interesting to me that both the U.K. and the U.S. (who share some parliamentary and voting traits AIUI), also appear to have similar F.P.T.P. polarization issues.

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 23h ago

@ermo @MicheleV_AK

the UK is different because it is a parliamentary system, so third parties can form coalitions and it isn't such a threat to one party or another like it is in the USA

this lends some stability to third parties the usa does not have. the usa is archaic. it's just winner take all, so we can never have more than two parties

ermo | Rune Morling 23h ago

What is the easiest or, alternatively, most viable way out of the deadlock for the U.S. in your view?

I ask because things look increasingly grim, and I've been paying attention to what the GOP is (and has been) trying to get away with for more than twenty years at this point, and it legitimately gives me the heebie-jeebies just thinking about it.

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 22h ago

@ermo @MicheleV_AK

well, number one, don't think i'm an airhead optimist, it's bleak

if there were a way out, i think, we need more people to vote

not that that's easy, just the path of least resistance

currently 1/3 of the country is bigots and ignorants

1/3 of the country is positively engaged

and 1/3 of the country is entitled and lazy and doesn't vote

it's a game of small percentages so if we just get some of these indolent nonvoters to vote we can flip the script

ermo | Rune Morling 22h ago

When I last did the numbers, there were ~277M eligible voters, and ~77.3M was enough to elect the current WH occupant.

It's kind of crazy that 77.3/277 =~ 28% of eligible voters are responsible for electing the 47th president when you look at how that character has comported themselves, and what position they've put the US in from both a domestic and especially an international perspective.

I live in a part of EU where our DIA has declared the US a security threat.

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES 22h ago

@ermo @MicheleV_AK

yeah, it's embarrassing as fuck

the usa fucking sucks

i focus on the nonvoters because lazy entitled pieces of shit are hard to sway, but outright bigoted morons you can't do anything with

only 1/3 of the usa is cognitively coherent and positively engaged

the rest are rabid zombies or uncaring lumps