I've heard all kinds of arguments by establishment #USDemocrats about the #US war on #Iran, how bad the strategy was, how its end-goal shifted from regime change to reopening of the Strait, the lack of an exit strategy, that it is "Trump's war", and myriad others, but what I haven't heard is the simple demand:

STOP THE WAR!

Why is that? Why is it that mainstream Democrats can only allude to but never actually utter this simple demand?

(Adam Smith = progressive Dem) ∉ establishment

#USpol

it is not reality that is non-understandable but our/your assumptions may be all wrong

Assum-1 Trump does what he wants
Assum-2 The war was avoidable
Assum-3 The democrats would have handled it differently

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the long term outcome would be a local conflict between balanced parties to keep the strait of H a war zone,

force states S,. of the straight to build and maintain pipelines away from the straight raising the effective cost of oil to make other sources more marketable ..

If you were in Trump's position you would do exactly the same ..

After what Biden had done with Gaza and Black Sea operations no Democrat was willing to take this job .. too much war for one party to bare

I am not defending the orang criminal and his basket case cabinet, I'm just saying next to #BigOil they are insignificant puppets leading the galaxy's most in-debt and bankrupt "state" ...

State is a very precise definition

economy
country
nation

that is vage poetic terminology used at convenience by demagogues and populists.

@65dBnoise

@iriyan
My question was why establishment US Democrats have not called clearly for an end to what they describe as a wrong/stupid/poorly strategized war that has been hurting the economy.

@65dBnoise hurting whose economy, US residents? The severely bankrupt US state, or the economic interests of large multinationals based and represented through the US Armed Forces and their commander in chief

Charlatans and demagogues, populists, and corporate media use the term "economy" to lie to people.

A grains importer and distributor HURTS when grains dive low, is that good/bad economy to have cheap bread?
If you tax bread and give the tax to the military industry to waste it in a war destroying a grains producing country .. is that good or bad economy ?

The Dixocrat puppets are on the same payroll with ReFascist-lican puppets, #BigOil #BigPharma #BigWar industry #BigCoal ..

Genocide is in the long term good for "Americans" ... just eat your Monsanto Soy Burger ... lay back on your lazyboy and relax .. it is just a trip ... you are recyclable (except for your silicon implants) ...

It is not a country, it is a greenhouse massively growing obedient soldiers to fight wars to maintain commodity monopolies around the globe

Who dropped the A-bombs in Japan? Dem or Dix or Rep ? An Anglo?

@65dBnoise

Because war is good for business.

And the kind of business that benefits from war donate money to both republicans and democrats.

Precisely @ParadeGrotesque. Follow the money: the MIC is hard at work to make this war last longer. And very few dems (if any) are not corrupt.

*Establishment dems (perhaps)

@65dBnoise

it's also, you know, a bullshit claim

I say this with full confidence that the Democrats in congress are spineless enablers and are not doing enough to stop the idiocy coming out of the white house but like

https://democraticwhip.house.gov/newsroom/press-releases/house-democratic-leadership-statement-on-donald-trump-s-threat-to-kill-a-whole-civilization

https://x.com/SenSchumer/status/2041505371940958335

https://x.com/ChrisVanHollen/status/2041588430375669943

https://democrats-armedservices.house.gov/2026/4/natsec-dems-demand-trump-negotiate-diplomatic-end-to-his-war-of-choice-with-iran

turns out that one duckduck go search for a specific string of words does not in fact lay your finger on the pulse of American political rhetoric

CC: @[email protected]
House Democratic Leadership Statement on Donald Trump's Threat to Kill a Whole Civilization

Today, House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries, Democratic Whip Katherine Clark, Democratic Caucus Chair Pete Aguilar, Democratic Caucus Vice Chair Ted Lieu, Assistant Democratic Leader Joe Neguse and DCCC Chair Suzan DelBene released the following statement:

Katherine Clark Democratic Whip

@khm

Talk is cheap.

Numbers, on the other hand...

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?cycle=2024&ind=D

Defense Sector Summary

Opensecret's money profile for the Defense sector. See contributions and lobbying history. Dig deeper by exploring specific industries and interest groups within the Defense sector.

OpenSecrets
oh for sure, no absolution for these fucks. but talk was the claim, and it was an easily disprovable one

@khm
Thanks for letting me know. I'd rather have Jeffreys's and NatSec Dems' statements reach my, and I guess many other people's ears and eyes through normal news channels, than through a post calling my post bullshit.

Of course I'd also expect Democrats to do a lot more to stop a war, than just issue statements for the record. There is a reason I put "STOP THE WAR" in capitals, but that's probably too much to ask from spineless enablers.

normal news channels are also in it for the money, so if the message isn't outright rage bait it's got less chance of getting amplified. there's no money in common sense.