@GrapheneOS I would switch to grapheneOS if I could use it on fairphone because I believe in an absolute right to privacy its not just for abusers. I'm not going to get a phone other than the fairphone because it's more important to me that there is no slavery and conflict minerals used in the phone and the modularity is a nice plus too. So unless grapheneOS supports a phone that has these features I can't ethically justify buying a phone without them just to use it.

#GrapheneOS #Android #Fairphone #ConflictMinerals #ModernSlavery

@ambiguous_yelp @GrapheneOS

There is no absolute privacy on grapheneOS phones. For example using graphene's default browser vanadium, you end up being a lot more uniquely fingerprintable than with a regular android and google chrome.

So this is all a matter of threat model. GrapheneOS is secure, but no device connected to the internet is 100% private, and using grapheneOS stands out a lot more from a metadata standpoint (for now at least).

@helioselene @ambiguous_yelp GrapheneOS goes out of the way to avoid standing out as being GrapheneOS on networks and to services when people are using a VPN. That's why it has a toggle to use the standard connectivity checks. Fixing privacy and security vulnerabilities inherently makes it possible to see those are fixed but that doesn't mean it stands out.

Contrary to your claims, Vanadium has far better protection against fingerprinting than Chrome but doesn't have nearly as many users.

@GrapheneOS @ambiguous_yelp

I acknowledge that one can use other browsers and that grapheneOS has a lot more protections than others OS-es.

When testing with vanadium on https://coveryourtracks.eff.org the first two results are green but the last one is not ("Your browser has a nearly-unique fingerprint").

Graphene is probably (one of) the most secure mobile OS. Users should still know its limits (every system has limits) so they stay safe. Security and privacy are as much about people than systems.