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That’s the point of government: the state has a monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force.

That’s from “Politics as a Vocation” by Max Weber. It’s also why the population needs to beat back if that violence isn’t legitimate (i.e. it’s abusing the population in the first place).

Or dissolve the government and realise offloading societal obligations to use violence to a hierarchical organisation is not the solution.

If there must be violence, let it come from the people for the people.

Government is like money. Get rid of it and people will create it again to fill the function they need it to fill, so let’s have it do what we need and help instead of harm
you’re making that up
your gif broke. but i foundi t, and it’s just an appeal to ridicule, not evidence for your claim.
i thought you were making a joke (one i liked, too) that i said people create things. no worries, it’s hard to communicate tone over text.
straight up mott and bailey. retreat from your specific, unjustified claim to one very broad and easy to defend.
sorry, but you’re committing the fallacy fallacy and i don’t debate people who do that bullshit
I don’t want debate. I want you to stop making things up and spreading them as fact.
ooo, i get this every time i call out medical practitioners for committing crimes. within hours. which one was it you personally committed?
great. ad hominem with a red herring. still no evidence for your claim that government and money will pervade every society.

you’re committing the fallacy fallacy

wrong, but you just did.

let us spout the names of fallacies instead of talking, that is productive. that’s you.
another appeal to ridicule, but no evidence that money or government are inevitabilities.
i mean, i’m not the one here demanding a debate like i suck off statues of ben shapiro and charlie kirk every night but you do you
i explicitly said i don’t want a debate.
yet you keep demanding i provide logic and evidence. what is that but demanding a debate? do you really think everyone here is that stupid?
i am not demanding anything. i’m pointing out that you literally made up your claim, and rather than even try to support it, you play rhetorical games.
that’s how speech works. people make up what they say. do you shout that at everyone?

that’s how speech works. people make up what they say.

when making claims about the natural world, doing that is worse than just keeping your mouth shut.

shame you wouldn’t recognize when you’re talking to an expert, since they have information and experience that contradicts your keyboard warrior lifestyle. but go off.

an unsupported appeal to authority.

if you were an expert you wouldn’t have made the erroneous claim.

there you go with your fallacy fallacy again ben
Fine you don’t want to have a debate or have people challenge your opinions. You only want to tell others that their opinions are objectively wrong and everyone else except for you and your chosen few are idiots. My dude, what you’re doing isn’t new, I’ve been seeing it on the internet for decades.

I am right, they are wrong. they made baseless claims and proceeded to posture as though I was wrong for calling them out.

your characterization doesn’t change any of the facts.

And other shit liberals tell themselves to never attempt change.
call me when you’ve built a single homeless shelter. just one. then you can lecture me on anything.
I would be arrested for doing so, as I would not meet legal qualifications. So instead I work preparing and serving food to the community, houseless or not.
read dunbar’s research and get back to me
When have I cited Dunbar?
There is still a point, though, when a government gets so bad that you just have to throw it away even if you know a new one would eventually rise to replace it.
Yup. People are social animals, and governments are just formalized outgrowths of the social structures they form. Fun bit, the research they’ve done shows that not just people but all primates fall back into all of the same social structures they are used to whenever there is a vacancy.

Weber did mean to legitimize the state but his reasoning can easily be turned from prescriptive to descriptive: we define the state as merely the entity with monopoly on violence over an area. Who decides what is “legitimate” violence? Why, the state, of course: by definition, it has the means to impose its views.

The Weberian idea is there are legitimate non-violent politics that the state offers itself to, which therefore allow the state to use violence against unlegitimate politics that don’t “play by the rules”. However since the state itself decides what is allowable or not, and since any unallowable political group will turn violent or disappear when faced with the violence of the state, we just land back where we started: the state has a monopoly on violence and that is what decides what is “legitimate” politics, and therefore what is legitimate violence.

The current labelling of political opponents as terrorists by the US government is illustrative of that. Some Weberians have you believe that is all legitimate since after all there indeed was an election.