Jeroen Wiert Pluimers
Farhad A.True
Random Walsh@faab64 I'm afraid you misunderstood. So here's another way to put it, voluntarily over explicit: "guys, women have always been doing a lot of work, all kinds of work, without getting paid, and for centuries the only work they were getting (poorly) paid for was sex work (and I'm not talking about reproductive work). So don't even try to say "what about prostitution", it was urgent that at last they get paid for their work, and there's still much to do in this regard".
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@faab64 Looks like somebody needs sex work but don't wanna pay 
saxnot
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Maggie Pie@faab64 and we still donβt get paid for most of the work we do
@magpieluvseeds
Sadly true
Many women actually get punished by "the market" when they choose a different path than the "norm".
I remember my American co-workers making fun of my friend in Sweden who took a year off work to be at home with their special need daughter, while his wife stayed at work.
The other way would have been perfectly normal, and set back the woman's carrier.
Coming from Iran, I can't understand that so many men in 21st century live by the mindset of cavemen.
Joe W@faab64 @magpieluvseeds Many men get punished, as per your example, and plenty companies frown upon men taking parental leave.
In Norway you get scolded if you don't share it 50/50. You are supposed to be done with meetings early enough so dad can pick up the kids from kindergarten. As a dad, you are supposed to do your fair share.
I might do a bit more (we don't count so I might be a slacking off idiot, though my wife would tell me), I have reduced my hours, my wife is paid better than I am...
Ian K. Rogers ikr?βΰ²°_ΰ² @faab64 Women always worked but the expectation that they would also have to take on a "job" without actually getting paid for housework and still suffering the household labour imbalance is a scam! I say that as a working-class man that unconsciously benefitted from the unpaid household labour of women who all had jobs outside the house, throughout my childhood and early adulthood. Division of labour is still totally exploitative & leads to bad household dynamics - feminsim befits everyone.
AnnieBuddyI canβt believe thereβre women in 2026 willing to enslave themselves through dependence.
What happens when he decides that he is into someone else and leaves them with no money and no work experience to fall back on?
pinkmarie
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Autumn Thiesing@faab64
I wonder if Miia learned a lesson, or just refused correction.
I wonder if Miia learned a lesson, or just refused correction.
@AutumnBaum
Those people don't learn. They hide and block.
Those people don't learn. They hide and block.
annaf
MBEverding@faab64 jokes on them they still do most of the unpaid care work. West German kindergartens and increasingly east German (former socialist big on woman equality) don't have opening hours long enough to look after children while working
Bebef π¦¦πͺπΊπ΄ββ οΈπ³οΈβππ³οΈββ§οΈππΌπ₯¦π©π΄@faab64 (I am well aware that care work still is work. My granny just wasn't)
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Women fought to be compensated for their labor and for the right to not be subservient to men.
Women fought to be compensated for their labor and for the right to not be subservient to men.
Phracker
Daniel Cooper@faab64 mh. I'm not sure. women got paid job in addition to their unpaid work as an independancy (from their husband) demand.
But "workforce reproduction" tasks are still unpaid, yet still mostly done by women. And now, they must have them done after an underpaid job shift.
π» Welcome Back π»@faab64
Part of the reason women didn't get paid was because women couldn't vote. Women had to depend on others to make fair laws. Took over 70 years of organized work to get the vote and representation in government.
Now, womens vote is under threat again.
Christian Kent ππ :οΌΌοΉ₯@faab64 the revisionism is insane
so many people glorify a past that never was. They just imagine that back then everything was swell and now woman "have to" work.
You know who might disagree? the woman of that time. the brave woman who fought tooth and nail for womans rights. It wasn't going swell.
In the last few centuries in europe everyone who was able (this includes children regardless of gender) had to perform hard labour every day for survival
@saxnot
The biggest revisionism in the western world is the complete erasure of socialist movement from 19th century that brought the issues of equality between genders, child labor, voting rights and so many other rights we all enjoy and take for granted.
You can barely find a single American who have heard of Rosa Luxemburg. You won't find any person admitting that women received right to vote in Soviet union in 1917 compared to 1944 in France. And all Nordic countries with strong socialist, social democratic movement had this passed years before others.
The "socialist feminism" is defined as an American movement from the 1970s which makes me realize how strongly and well the propaganda affected, even the "progressives" in the west.