So, since the "the fediverse needs to be open to new ideas" canard is going around again, let's just be clear. AI is not a new idea, it's the oldest idea in the tech industry.

It's the idea that capital can embrace, extend, and extinguish computing, the idea that industry is more important than labor, that the climate crisis is an externality not worth worrying about. AI is the idea that stocks matter more than people.

@xgranade and we've been working on it with digital logic for over 70 years already. Still haven't got it right, or even vaguely close.

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What I love about any/all canards going about the most is that... heh... canarder... like... the fediverse... errrmmm... nobody's 'in charge' you know... really... like... nobody 😁

OK, 'canarder' may not be a real word.

@xgranade @jwz Fundamentally the argument is "fedi must become exactly like every other space that is overwhelmed with slop". Like, name another network or website that is generally negative about LLMs. This is like arguing every restaurant should be McDonald's. Let fedi be different, please.

https://webcomicname.com/post/185588404109

@skyfaller @xgranade Everybody knows that all restaurants are Taco Bell.
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@jwz @skyfaller @xgranade but I just woke up after being teleported into a Waffle House.

Does that mean I’m in an alternative reality/simulation?!

@xgranade I agree with your main point, but just to say, in terms of other internet spaces where they go hard on LLMs, I think some of these crazy kids on Lemmy are doing the Lord's work

https://lemmy.world/c/fuck_ai

and in general across other spaces on Lemmy which aren't explicitly about shitting on LLMs, from what I've seen, the takes seem sane the majority of the time.

But I think this fits your point actually: both spaces (Masto & Lemmy) have much less pressure to lick corporate boots, so people tend to get less caught up in this frenzy of claiming their allegiance to the Shiny New Tech Thing

Fuck AI - Lemmy.World

“We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!” A place for all those who loathe AI to discuss things, post articles, and ridicule the AI hype. Proud supporter of working people. And proud booer of SXSW 2024. AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as “AI” meant to increase market valuations.

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Bless those crazy kids and their #fuckai goodness :)
@skyfaller the existence of any space that does not reaffirm Received Truth is inherently a threat to it
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@erisceleste @skyfaller @xgranade @jwz The guy that did it is on the core Mastodon team and said it was a slippery slope to not want people here and then tried to say this is why Black Twitter left. You can find him because I repplied to his thread sigh
@skyfaller @xgranade @jwz The Fediverse not being drenched in slop is definitely a feature, not a bug, in my book.

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The Fediverse has been open to quite a lot of new ideas. Many of these ideas are considered, often at length, and then discarded when it so transpires that the ideas are, in fact, shit.

The Techbro contingent are certainly trying to pretend that their Bright New Thing isn't just an exploitative variant on every fucking technological snake oil that we've seen since someone banged two rocks together to make fire, but we have no reason to treat their world-burning chatbots with any more faith than the assholes trying to convince us that ivermectin, wolfsbane and placenta are a panacea.

@xgranade this remind me of the old "if you want that, do it yourself. *do the thing themselves*. wait, no, what are you doing, that's not allowed è_é"
@xgranade If it's the canard I'm thinking of, then the fact that Fedi is better at ignoring idiots than other social networks is a feature, not a bug.