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LiamBoxVisualizing the Length of the Fine Print, for 14 Popular Apps (and books)
BuffaloxLuckily clicking a checkbox is not legally binding with regard to such terms of service.
What is hidden in these terms is of course their abuse of your personal information, which probably is enough for plausible deniability.
But there’s a reason these companies are regularly fined in EU, and that is that their practices are often illegal, despite they “allow themselves” to do it by their own terms.
What is hidden in these terms is of course their abuse of your personal information, which probably is enough for plausible deniability.
But there’s a reason these companies are regularly fined in EU, and that is that their practices are often illegal, despite they “allow themselves” to do it by their own terms.
SubArcticTundraIs their ToS fully legal in the US or are parts of them illegal there too?
Do they have more money than you?
If they do, chances are you would somehow lose in court, and even if you have the spirit of the law on your side.
I wouldn’t bet on consumer protection in USA, and I’ve seen many TOS documents that were CLEARLY illegal in EU, but legal in USA. But that was back in the 90’s where I worked with parallel import of software and hardware from USA.
We were occasionally contacted because the import of software at way cheaper prices than they were available here in EU, was against the TOS.
Usually we were not contacted again after my first response to them, that they could shove their American legalese shit where the sun doesn’t shine, US law has no bearing in Europe, and the TOS containing just 1 illegal clause invalidates the whole thing here. 🤣 🤣 🤣
If they do, chances are you would somehow lose in court, and even if you have the spirit of the law on your side.
I wouldn’t bet on consumer protection in USA, and I’ve seen many TOS documents that were CLEARLY illegal in EU, but legal in USA. But that was back in the 90’s where I worked with parallel import of software and hardware from USA.
We were occasionally contacted because the import of software at way cheaper prices than they were available here in EU, was against the TOS.
Usually we were not contacted again after my first response to them, that they could shove their American legalese shit where the sun doesn’t shine, US law has no bearing in Europe, and the TOS containing just 1 illegal clause invalidates the whole thing here. 🤣 🤣 🤣
Thats crazy, i was expecting that just the illegal clauses would be invalid
Not here, as I understand it, it’s pretty general that if a contract has an illegal clause, it invalidates the entire contract. As in it removes other special clauses even if they are legal.
I’ve read many contracts which explicitly state that any part being invalidated does not invalidate the remaining parts.
Invalidating this clause would then invalid the whole thing de facto
3% people being liars seems kinda low.
Seefra 1GPLv3 comes out to 5215 words, so pretty long.
That was my favorite part of switching to Lemmy. My Instance’s terms of service were a few paragraphs.
a bit ironic that tiktok, know for the 15 second vertical videos, have one of the longest tos
We need a new sub for “data is horrifying”.
stenAandenGood guy instagram is still horrible
I’ve tried to read the full terms of service before and on top of being very long, they’re overly vague when it comes to what they collect.
Yeah … not only are they long, they’re written by lawyers who are trying to obfuscate things while still covering the company’s ass legally.
It’s all fuckin moot because most of them say something like “these terms can be changed at any time and by agreeing to these terms, you implicitly agree to those terms”.
Probably wouldn’t stand up in court, but most people don’t have the money to fight a court case they would obviously win, so that doesn’t matter either.
dan1101Good guy VLC: www.videolan.org/legal.html
What are the usage restrictions for VideoLAN software? Short answer: there are none. You can use the software in the way you want (within the boundary of law), for personal, educational, research, military, governmental, professional purpose or any other way…
May I redistribute a piece of VideoLAN software? Yes, you may distribute an original or a modified version of a piece of VideoLAN software as long as you comply with its license terms. Most pieces of software from VideoLAN are licensed under the GNU General Public License Version 2 (referred herein as GPL). You will find a license file named COPYING in all our products.
Note: You do not need to ask VideoLAN the permission to distribute VideoLAN software!
That’s a nice summary, but the GPLv2 is about 2500 words…
AxolotlWith my attention span, it would take me at least three three times as long to read the Microsoft TOS.
Who did they have time this shit? A speed reader?
Apathy TreeIdk too many people who can read the art of war in under an hour either :p
They base the reading time by assuming someone reads 240 words per minute (stated near the top of the infograph, on the right.)
My guess is they didn’t actually time somebody reading the terms and conditions, but rather they took the total word count and divided it by 240.
I wondered where they got the number from, too. I found a page discussing a meta analysis of English reading speeds that concluded that for silent reading, people commonly read 238 words per minute. The infographic probably took that average and rounded it up to 240.
Though considering the jargon and opacity of most “terms and conditions,” I imagine the reality to be that most people take longer to read through it than if they were reading something for pleasure.
This could be posted in Cool Guides.
paraphrandI love it when they force you to scroll. It’s such theater.
I’m pretty sure YouTube’s TOS demands acceptance of every other Google product TOS.
If we tack those on, I wonder if it could get to the moon and back in 12 point font?
Zacryon
Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiWonder what Linux’s look like
The GPLv2 comes to about 2500 words, which puts it at about 10 minutes read time according to this infographic.
Also, tosdr.
DamaskoxThey always say not reading it is not a defense. But I wonder if you took all the termsmof service for all the products and services you use, and add in updates, then figure the total time to read AND understand (because reading is not enough when they are written in legalease)… if you presented that number to a judge, would they change their mind? It’s probably a huge number, likely just reading and understanding updates alone would be a daunting task.
So just curious, in chapter twenty section four subsection LV “our kidneys” defined as the kidneys being maintained by the signatory (or signer) Will be released on upon termination.
I’m just curious is termination of the contract or termination of the kidney holder